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1998 550 Maranello "sorting" thread--DIY

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by moorfan, Aug 15, 2011.

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  1. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #226 fatbillybob, Sep 29, 2011
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    imagine the threaded bolt on the right is the snout of the drive gear. Put assembly thusly over the snout and drive the puller point into the nut instead of into the gear shaft and bunging it up. You could even put a aluminum or delrin pad from scrap under the spacer for more protection. You could use this without a puller to protect the shaft end and lift the cover and shim it and then use an air hammer to beat the top of the spacer, rinse and repeat as you increase the case cover shim size. There are always ways to do it. I have not removed the 550 cover but many others and the basic principles work. I'm also pretty dangerous with a welder and I would not be above taking disposable HFT puller fingers and welding them to the bearing vs. taking my time to grind them to capture the inner race.
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  2. fatbillybob

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    Someone mentioned 17K miles? Lets say the car is 10 y/o that's 1700miles/yr. I'm sure the car is very nice but some would call that a garage queen. I think that not driving cars is as bad as driving them too much. My 550 is a driver with many more miles and I'll track it too and the car is flawless and cheap to maintain. Aside from routine maintenance and the SRI gold kit and personal go fast goodies the car has cost very little. I also think Pete said he thinks he is at $6k but how much of the was the time gears cost? Chalk that one up to "learning curve" we have all "been there spent that". His car will be perfect for many miles to come. When I went through my brother's 5 series BMW with clutch change, radiator rebuild, new bearings in shifter, new clutch, injector cleaning, new water pump, and belts fluids the cost of all was not so cheap either. I'm thinking my 550 water pump rebuild was maybe $100 bucks, tensioners were 300ea., belts 100 each I just don't remember spending alot for this car.
     
  3. dersark_painclinic

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    Pete, Do you need a friction modifier adding to 75w-90 NS gear oil, I thought the NS itself is the right gear oil and does not need modifier. Second, cleaning Idle air controller is basically done just spraing it by the cleanser which is pictured here? Thanks Sark.
     
  4. moorfan

    moorfan Formula Junior

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    Sark I do know that my mechanics here use it in the gearboxes, and I figured it couldn't hurt. I can always drain and refill if I don't like the effects.

    And regarding the IAC, you can clean it with regular carb cleaner as far as I know. The MAF cleaner is very mild and didn't remove all the gunk in the IAC.
     
  5. davehelms

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    I sure would not let the thread concern you but instead allow it to open everyones eyes to what happens when a lock and swap belt change is done with blinders on. Pete will very likely never go here again, nor will any of the future owners of the car as everything is being dealt with in a very proper manner, my compliments!

    The 550 is a spectacular model and many of the problems here were caused problems, not design problems. How well the model dealt with what it was handed in the past and still was running along nicely, speaks to the quality of the design. Sure there are a few design issues but those are easily dealt with once solutions are found.

    A true Wolf in Sheep's clothing these are and when the Go pedal is pushed there is NO waiting for things to happen... it happens NOW, in a very eye opening manner, when everything is as it should be.
     
  6. FPFaeth

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    Hi --- may I ask why you're going to have the dealer install the new motor mounts and PS pressure hose when you are obviously so skilled and seem able to tackle all problems mechanical, electrical and beyond? Thanks. Frank
     
  7. dersark_painclinic

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    I do agree, it should be walking in the park for him.
    Sark
     
  8. moorfan

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    Apparently the car needs to be fully realigned after the steering rack is dropped, and I don't have an alignment rack. I am still thinking about it being that the car is fully apart and all. If i can find someone locally that I trust to realign the car I may end up doing it. :)
     
  9. fatbillybob

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    Pete,

    I've been racing cars for years. I can talk you through the full alignment process and your tools needed will be a sears craftsman laser level, a HFT 90* rule, and a straight rule. If you really want to go all out there is probably a racer in your area with scales. The last guy I paid to scale and align my car was $300 bucks if you don't want to do the effort. So go for it! The alignment is a cake walk. You should really learn to do this. You learned to make the engine go now might as well learn to make the car handle.
     
  10. deanhalter

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    I did mine without disconnecting the tie rod ends. Just mark and disconnect the steering shaft, and remove the steering rack mounting bolts. I propped mine so that it was about 4 inches from its mounted position and it gave me all the access I needed.
     
  11. moorfan

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    FBB there you are coming to my rescue again!

    Dean, I have read the WSM procedure for doing this on the 575 and they mention lifting the engine up and forward to get the mounts out. I don't see that I have to do all of that necessarily, and would be jacking the engine up from below by lifting on the sump pan.
    I take it you were able to let the stabilizer bar fall, then let the rack fall and sit on the stabilizer bar, and from there get access to the driver's side mount?

    Thanks,
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  12. fatbillybob

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    Pete you sure you got the oem 550 mount? Most of these cars even queens killed the original mount just by sitting. There is a picture here somewhere of the 575 mount which is the update.
     
  13. moorfan

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    Yep. OEM 550 mounts. I already have all the new mounts/hardware on hand.
     
  14. fatbillybob

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    Hey we all got to look out for each other! You would be surprised at the accuracy of home alignment vs. the shops. It is quite a process first shimming for a flat floor, to scaling the car to corner balance, to finally aligning it. It is actually fun when you get into it. You start making changes that effect handling and learn to make the car do what you want. Then you will be amazed at what Ferrari has done for us. Remember all that "hate" for the twitchiness of the 348? That was the Factory trying to give us a racecar for the street but few people understood. The 348 is a very tuneable chassis that can suit multiple driver styles. Problem is when people treat it like a streetcar you get put into the weeds.
     
  15. deanhalter

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    I removed the stabilizer bar first, then dropped the steering rack. I then was able to get the engine jacked up a little, removed the main mount bolt, and finally removed the mount adapters on the engine and rubber mounts themselves. Not a terrible job, but not all that fun either.

    As for alignment, there are several really good videos on youtube as to how to do this. Once you get your garage set up with shims to get the car level it is really easy from there. There are also a lot of cheap and effective tools the DYI'er can buy to make the prcess simple and error proof.

    End of the day though, if you do it the way I did, you don't disturb the tie rods and the alignment - worst case your steering wheel may be off (if you don't mark it or realign it right), but you can fix this through the driver's side wheel well in about 10 min...
     
  16. fou

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    #241 fou, Oct 1, 2011
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    Pete, got your phone message, i am going to try and head over to see this adventure tomorrow, Will give you a ring. I will bring the 575 so you can remember what they look like all buttoned up :)
     
  17. fou

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    Thanks Pete for sharing your work today. Quite an undertaking. I am very impressed. And, you a great guy to boot. Here is to getting it on the road soon so we can do some twisties. I know a few secret spots as I am sure you do as well.
     
  18. moorfan

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    #243 moorfan, Oct 2, 2011
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    Thanks for stopping in Fou! Good to meet you.

    Today was spent finishing the engine compartment gold connections, and reinstalling the head water manifolds and new SRI hoses in the valley. (Photo 1)

    I then began to tackle the motor mounts. I can fully verify that they are a total PITA to deal with, the drivers side mount being the problem.

    First step was to disconnect the return union to the oil tank just in front of the steering rack. Make sure you are ready to drain your oil, or have drained it already. (Photo 2)

    Next up, drop the stabilizer bar by removing the two 13mm nuts on the long bolts that hold it to the chassis. You will have to hold the bolt from above to be able to turn the nut fully off. Once they are undone the stabilizer bar will hang down with the tie rods still connected. (Photo 3)

    You can now begin to drop the steering rack by removing the four 13mm bolts that hold it up to the chassis. Remember that the rack is also connected to the steering column at the back of the rack, which we will deal with next post (photo 4)
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  19. moorfan

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    #244 moorfan, Oct 2, 2011
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    Disconnect the steering column from the now loose rack by loosening the 13mm bolt that cinches the steering column to the ribbed shaft of the steering rack. Make sure to mark the the positions of the shaft and the rack so that your wheel will be straight when you reattach. (Photo 1)

    On the passenger side, I was able to loosen 3 of the 4 17mm bolts holding the mount to the chassis with a variety of wrenches, including clawfoot wrenches. You can then remove the 24mm bolt that holds the engine to the mount pretty easily. (photo 2)

    The drivers side is another story altogether. What a PITA. I was cursing in Italian the whole time I was trying to get access to that 24mm bolt. No wrench that I own was able to get to it. Couldn't use a 24mm socket, because you can't move the steering rack far enough out of the way to get to it. My initial 24mm offset wrench was a no-go as well. I have now ordered a 24mm deep offset wrench with the hope that I can get it with that. The bolt in question is that POS with the yellow X on it (Photo 3)

    So at this point I sit. I need to wait for the pressure power steering hose, which was easily disconnected from the rack once it was dropped. The plan will be that once I get the other 24mm bolt I can jack the engine from below and raise the engine off the mounts, at which point I can fully access the other 17mm bolts and switch out the mounts.
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  20. deanhalter

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    I sent you a pm, but I would add that I think I remember just being able to get an open end wrench on the lower bolt head, which i jammed (didn't have a helper) and I then was able to get a socket on the upper nut and turn that.

    Dean
     
  21. moorfan

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    #246 moorfan, Oct 3, 2011
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    Dean thanks so much for the input.

    Today I slayed the motor mounts! For me the answer was to cut a 24mm socket so it was a kind of "slimline" socket, and mount it on my 1/2inch breaker bar. This fit into the tight spot to remove the other 24mm bolt.

    Once the two bolts were removed I jacked the engine up about 4cm, nice and slowly. Once this was done all four 17mm bolts holding the motor mounts to the chassis were easily accessible (what the hell am I saying) they were actually difficult accessible but I got them off and removed the old motor mounts. (Photo 1)

    The new mounts slid right in. I threaded the 24mm bolt through the engine supports (which I did NOT need to remove) and then took to fastening all 4 mounting bolts to the chassis for each mount. I gently lowered the engine down onto the new mounts, and then gently fed the 24mm bolts through the center of the mount. (Photos 2 and 3 show the mounts in place prior to the final lowering of the engine; you can see how easy the access is to the chassis mounting bolts with the engine lifted even a little bit) I was even able to torque the center bolts correctly to 98 Nm each.

    I feel triumphant tonight. :)
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  22. deanhalter

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    Good to see you were able to get it done. This is PITA job, but worth it as it is not that technically difficult, but a time waster; the perfect job for the DIY'er.
     
  23. dersark_painclinic

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    Pete, I see you put the cam shafts back on. What did you do to the lifters ?. Please we need more detail pictures and discription when it comes to cams, timing belts. We all impressed and greatly appriciate your effert in this matter. Thanks again. Sark
     
  24. fatbillybob

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    I wonder if any improvement in steering feel can be had by using delrin or new steering rack bushings?
     
  25. moorfan

    moorfan Formula Junior

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    Sark...The cams are just sitting in their journals right now...few better places to store them than that!
    I have ordered replacement lifters for the car. A significant number of them were defective. Also, Scuderia Rampante is currently cadmium plating the cam gears and the Gilmer drive gears and I'm waiting on them also.
    I will try to be detailed when I put it all back together.

    Thanks for following!
     

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