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1998 550 Maranello "sorting" thread--DIY

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by moorfan, Aug 15, 2011.

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  1. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Mark- Permanent coolant, right. When I had my old 987 Boxster serviced the rep said the coolant was permanent when I told him to change it. When I started laughing and told him there was no such thing as permanent coolant, he grinned and said I was correct and they would change it. Same thing at the Mercedes dealership on Jan's GL 550. They just look sheepish and do it. Probably have to look up how to do it, though.

    Pete- See if you can find a clever 5 year old to put in the plug for you. They already know more about computers than I do, so you might as well start training one on mechanical stuff.
     
  2. Cribbj

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    Carl, I've forgotten if I put them in there or not, but Belmetric certainly carries a lot of cool hardware. McMaster's is usually my first stop for hardware, but if it's something weirder than what they have, Belmetric is next.

    I'm just giving Pete a hard time because I know the "voices" are telling him to go deeper and deeper with his major, and I hope he's strong enough to resist. I wasn't, and the deeper I went, the more I found.
     
  3. gsjohnson

    gsjohnson Formula 3

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    That's good info John. Thank you.
     
  4. moorfan

    moorfan Formula Junior

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    So John, I will have you know that I plan on doing a lot of things for this major, including walnut shell blasting the intakes as Carl did and as all of us as "good" owners of BMW DI engines must eventually do. I will also do a leakdown test. So who knows what I may find.
     
  5. Cribbj

    Cribbj Formula 3
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    Was afraid you'd say that :)

    Let's hope for the best!
     
  6. moorfan

    moorfan Formula Junior

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    #631 moorfan, Mar 13, 2015
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    Today began disassembling the timing system. The timing system has not been messed with in any way since my last major, so I was quite interested to get the covers off to see what had gone on in the interim.

    So I removed the covers, and on the inside of the covers I found dust. But it is GREEN dust? WTF? (Photo 1)

    I notice that the inner kevlar belt webs are the same curious green/yellow color...and notice that the cadmium plating that I had done the last time of the timing gears appears to have worn off, which can clearly be seen on this closeup of the gear and belts (Photo 2)
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  7. moorfan

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  8. moorfan

    moorfan Formula Junior

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    #633 moorfan, Mar 13, 2015
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    More odds and ends this evening, freeing up access to the timing system.
    The main reason I am redoing this major is because of this damn timing cover leak. When I last did the major, I replaced the timing cover with just the OEM gasket. No sealant. I won't make that mistake again. (Photo 1)

    It looks like the crank seal may be leaking a little bit (Photo 2).

    You can see the attempts that I have made to add sealant after the fact, with no success. (Photo 3)
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  9. moorfan

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  10. mcypert

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    #635 mcypert, Mar 13, 2015
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    Pete: Had to do my major for the same reason. Thought it was the main seal at first. Pic below shows what 70+ psi oil pressure can do.

    The arrow shows the remnants of my attempt to stop the leak with sealant.... been there done that.....

    Regards.....Mark

    PS....Pete, don't know if you saw my post on this... but you can replace this gasket without pulling the cogs out of the cover. I think you termed it, "en banc"....
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  11. flyboyx

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    #636 flyboyx, Mar 14, 2015
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    you mention using sealant to help out your gaskets on the front of the engine. This is what i would suggest personally. i don't know what you have in mind, but i don't think rtv silicone is the answer.
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  12. moorfan

    moorfan Formula Junior

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    I will be using Loctite 518 anaerobic once the time comes...
     
  13. flyboyx

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    thats the red stuff? i have that in my shop. haven't used it too many times but the experience i have had has been really good.
     
  14. 360modena2003

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    How many miles did you put on the belts?
     
  15. 360modena2003

    360modena2003 Formula 3

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    I believe the yellow is the cadmium plating coming off -
     
  16. moorfan

    moorfan Formula Junior

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    I think you are right. I think that it is NOT the infamous "belt dust" that others refer to as a sign that belts are too tight.

    I am guessing i put between 4000 and 4500 miles on the belts.
     
  17. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    That's lame. I thought that plating was the cat's meow. I was envious of those who had it. I was just too cheap and too impatient to do it for what I saw as only a very nice esthetic benefit. Doing that plating is going 10/10ths during a major that's for sure. I'm not convinced of cog fence welding either. I thought about doing that for about 5 minutes a few months ago during my last 550 major. I have MIG, Gas, and TIG 20 ft. from me but at the 6th minute I never thought about it again.
     
  18. ferraridriver

    ferraridriver F1 Rookie

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    After seeing failures of the staked fences I'm 100 % convinced that TIG welding the fences is the proper thing to do especially since there is no downside and the potential for extensive/expensive damage due to fence failure, while not great is clearly present.
     
  19. dersark_painclinic

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    Pete, I agree when belts are to tight then you see the dust, when I retention my lose belts you should be able to turn it almost 90 degree as a test and believe it or not that gives you #126 on harmonic meter.
     
  20. tazandjan

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    Sark- You should not be retensioning the Kevlar belts.
     
  21. dersark_painclinic

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    Taz, that is a very interesting issue. I do not want open a can of worm but we are very orthodox when comes to belt tension. What I see Ferrari techs set the belts by feeling only, they use no torque just 19 gauge wench, they re tension the loose ones. I am not a pro but I been witness my belt was so loose the harmonic meter read LOW on the 3rd year and Pete's belt is so tight that puts yellow dust. I just want to know a belt tensioned in Boston 20 degree bellow what that belt tension would be in the 100 degree heath of Los Angeles. I was told these belts becomes tight when engine warms up, I thought just opposite of that. The 550 WSM says
    - Tension may be adjusted to nominal
    value (once only) if it falls below the
    minimum acceptable level following use
    within the first 1.500 km after changing
    the belt (see table pag. B9). In subsequent
    checks, replace belt if it stretched
    below the minimum acceptable value
    after use and comply with the above
    procedure for getting correct values.
    - The belts must never be tightened again
    because the initial working slack would
    return after a short time. Each time the
    belt is retightened it would stretch a little

    These cars been driven in different climates with different tensions which never stays same from the day been adjusted. At the end I might be wrong, by the way that was not my idea but an expert tech which says trust me.
     
  22. moorfan

    moorfan Formula Junior

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    I think I would add the following:
    Sark- I do not have any thoughts that my belts are too tight. If you look back in this thread at how I originally tensioned these belts, it was exactly to WSM specs. In addition, when you set these belts once the subsequent belt tensions that you measure as you turn over are plagued by the possibility that through tension or relaxation of the gear system that your measurements may be off. Set it right the first time, and don't do it again. That was my motto last time and it will again be my motto this time.

    Our belts are not green...the yellow/green dust is likely cadmium plating material.

    I do not regret having my fences welded. Gives me peace of mind which is worth it :)

    Carl, if you are reading this could you advise me again where you most recently sent your injectors? I'm going to drain the fuel system today and pull them to be sent off for balancing and refurb if needed.
     
  23. gsjohnson

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    Pete-Great reference thread. Most wouldn't take the time to share as you have. I find myself referencing your thread when I am unsure...as I proceed with my belt service.
     
  24. moorfan

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    GS- no worries. This forum has helped ME far more than I ever helped IT. :)
     
  25. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Under $25/injector

    RC Engineering
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    I am 10 mins from them if you need any help.
     

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