Who raced 0565GT and where? Confirmed original colors? Sorting the race entries is a can of worms, really. Cheers, Kare
Hi What do you think of these wb pages: 250GT Boano https://www.borrani.com/ferrari-wheels/250-gt-boano.html 250GT Ellana https://www.borrani.com/ferrari-wheels/250-gt-ellena.html If you have any data or imformation, and specially pictures relating to tyre or wheel fitment please post it here or send it to Longstone, that would be great.
Why not put photos of the actual wheels against each RW number instead of the generic photos which look nothing like?
Hi Gosh that would be nice. However you can imagine with a car like this we might only sell one of these wheels every few years. The RW3264 for the Ellena or boano, we have sold dome of these wheels but not in the last 12 months. However there is an enormous amount of different wheels available through Borrani that we have never sold. they are all bespoke built, not from stock. when i first got involved in this i was amazed what a pain in the bum bum taking product pictures was. In the end i ended up building our own infinity wall in a 20' container we have in our yard, all painted white with markings on the floor where the lights go and tripod for the camera, even with our own in house fascilities it still takes a couple of hours through 2 staff members per picture. It just isn't feasible to get pictures of all these wheels on that site. I agree it would be nice, but it is nopt an option. Actually keeping up with the web content is tricky enough. having just looked at these pages it has become apparent, that i dont even list on tne page which is slip shod and needs dealing with as these Ferrari Road cars pre 1960 would have fitted either the 600V16 Pirelli Stella Bianca as a crossply https://www.borrani.com/pirelli-tyres/pirelli-stella-bianca.html or if you asked for radial the 185VR16 Pirelli Cinturato.
The cinturato tire is a good radial - however if you want to get it judged, they WILL deduct points for this. After my deductions, I purchased 5 of the Pirelli Stella Bianca tires, accepted by the judges and also correct according to a number of historical photos we found that supported the " as built" tires for the Ellena.
Hi Post 1960 is easy. Ferrari fitted 185R15 Cinturato https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/185-vr-15-pirelli-cinturato-ca67.html pretty much untill 1964 when they fitted 205 section Pirelli Cinturato. We have the 15" one already. I hope to have the 14" tyre before the end of the year. https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/pirelli-collezione/cinturato-cn72.html Did pre 1960 Ferrari fit radial tyres? the answer is a catagoric yes! 250 TDF fitted radial tyres as an option and that is a 1956 car. https://www.borrani.com/catalog/category/view/id/6306 it fitted 400mm Borrani options. 400mm were the most comon radiual tyres in the 1950s because Alfa and Lancia were fititing them, but more importantly Citroen fitted them on the Traction Avant and DS so 400mm radial were cheaper and importantly accessible. Both Michelin and Pirelli made them. we will be getting a fresh batch of the 175HR400 Cinturato soon, https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/pirelli-collezione/cinturato-ca67/175-hr400-pirelli-cinturato-ca67.html radial tyres were actually invented during the war, but Michelin didnt want to patent the the first radial tyre while they were under Vischy Nazi control, so it was Patented after the war and i beleive standard equip on the Traction in the 1940. The Michelin X was not really a sports car tyre, though it did provide more grip. Pirelli developed the Sports car radial tyre in 1952. I beleive pre 1960 you could ask for your Ferrari to leave the factory with Cinturato. this is from 1954 Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login So i don't dispute that Crossply was the norm. However i think if it is a Cinturato CA67 then you should not be penalised in a Concourse. Incidentally the Stella Bianca range is perfect for you guys. https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/pirelli-collezione/stella-bianca.html the 600V16 Stella Bianca is expected in again a bit later this year. but the great news is they have also made a 525V16 and a 550V16 so racing cars can have a thinner front. they also make a 550V18 for the pre war stuff too which is great. Dunlop racing are difficult for concourse. they have the wropng tread pattern and the L section tyres are not road legal (nor are any of the 15" Dunlop Racing. https://www.borrani.com/dunlop-tyres/racing.html So the road legal 16" Dunlop Racing that are road legal are in the R5 tread pattern that wasnt even in development untill 1958. However they are still fantastic on the track.
Longstone, As much as you wish to sell us radial Pirelli Cintuarto CA67s for early Ferraris, the typical Ellena tire was cross-ply, I believe a Pirelli Stelvio or Englebert. Radial CA67 Cinturatos, regardless of ads or when they were first introduced show up on Ferraris approximately late 1959 onward in my observation. Prior to this they are not at all typical Ferrari installation, but an exception. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Hi I dont disput that "or early Ferraris, the typical Ellena tire was cross-ply," and "Prior to this they are not at all typical Ferrari installation" However the point i am making is that they were an option as What i am looking at here is; what was possible then, even though it was an exception, and what is possible now. And that is the Cinturato. I don't really understand the resisitence to the Cinturato? It was a period option then, and it is available now. why should you be marked down in a concourse? It is an exception, but so are the one off bodied cars, maybe they should be marked down too?
Ed's Ellena factory assembly sheets show originally a cross-ply tire size designation, hence I assume the first reason for a points deduction. Likely in judging, the norm is accepted and the exception needs some evidence to prove. No issue to debate as you wish about the judging protocols, as plenty of threads engage the arguments. There is nothing wrong with the CA57 Cintuarto as a tire, though I find appearance small - one may wish to drive on them - but if you are seeking to restore with focus toward originality, especially to show, the Stella is closest to the Pirelli Stelvio, proper in my view. Unfortunately, the Englebert reproductions are no longer produced for this purpose. One-off body cars for the most part are well documented and this I think a very s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d tangential point!! Good try though!
