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  1. Gilles

    Gilles Karting

    Aug 10, 2003
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    I just bought it from Bang :
    http://www.alpimodel.com/bng/7300.html
    It's presented as the model of Paris show car 1960.
    For me here is 4 prototypes :
    1287 GT ?????
    1895 GT ?????
    1903 GT ?????
    2043 GT the Paris car ? For me light metallic blue. With no fenders behind little side glasses. ************ post in a before thread a B/W pic of the paris show, were the car is not white.
    Someone can tell me what is this car, it's a realist prototype ?
    Thanks, Gilles
     
  2. cavallino

    cavallino Formula Junior

    Aug 21, 2003
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  3. kare

    kare F1 Rookie
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    I think this car combines elements from several prototypes (c-pillar vents of 1287, white color of 1903GT) with som early production features(bumper over riders with inserts and production style register plate illumination).

    The GT/E displayed in Paris Salon 1960 was 2043GT and that car was Blu genziana MM16229 with rosso connolly VM 3171 interior.

    A photo from Paris can be found at:

    http://www.************.com/index.html?target=p_798.html&lang=en-us

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  4. cavallino

    cavallino Formula Junior

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    1895 GT was the car displayed at the Le Mans 24 Hours course car in june 1960. It's the first appearance of a 250 GTE.

    2043 GT is the first production car.

    I have found three photos of your models car in white, but there is no chassis number, they just say that it is a pre-production car, otherwise a prototype.
     
  5. Gilles

    Gilles Karting

    Aug 10, 2003
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    Thanks Cavallino and Kare (You're very rare, unfortunately !)
    1287 GT : Metallic Grey
    1895 GT : Le Mans car. Color ?
    1903 GT : White.
    2031 GT : I forgot it. Color ?
    2043 GT : Paris show car. Blu genziana
    I see a pic of a red prototype, 1895GT or 2031GT or both ?
    Cavallino, you tell of 3 pictures of 1903GT, have you a rear view ? I never see one.
    Gilles
     
  6. kare

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    1287 GT : Grigio argento MM16003/rosso VM3171
    1895 GT : Rosso rubino MM16119/naturale VM3218
    1903 GT : Bianco Saratoga MM12435/"red mouseze tannery"
    2031 GT : Grigio argento MM16003/nero VM8500
    2043 GT : Blu genziana MM16229/rosso VM3171

    Note also that fender vents were originally missing on 3 first prototypes, at least. Story says Pininfarina insisted they be added to 1903GT before final sales brochure photos were taken, so there are pictures both /w and /wo fender vents which were pierced directly to front fenders, not on a separate plate.

    First production cars were also red:
    2169GT was Rosso rubino MM16119/naturale VM3218
    2171GT was Rosso corsa MM10593/nero VM8500

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  7. jhjvdm

    jhjvdm Formula Junior

    May 28, 2003
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    This is a contemporary photo of 1903GT (stilll without louvres).

    Notice low position of turning signal lights in front fender.

    Joop van der Meer
     
  8. Gilles

    Gilles Karting

    Aug 10, 2003
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    Thanks all !
    Jhjvdm, what awesome photo !!!
    I don't understand "red mouseze tannery" ? On Jhjvdm's pic, the interior's appear naturale ?
    Gilles
     
  9. kare

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    It is sometimes very difficult to interpret notes of records. Apparently original documents were hand-written and notes have been taken "as understood" - it seems that many notes have just been copied without even trying to understand what they actually mean. There are numerous (clear) typos too...

    I think "red mouseze tannery" actually consist or words "red" - "monzese" and "tan...". "Rosso monzese" would probably be "monza red" - it is unclear whether this points to exterior or interior color. "Tan..." most likely points to interior color. "Tannery" may also be an indication of the interior haveing been redyed... I don't know.

    1903GT first appeared white (no fender vents) with tan interior. There are also photos as white (fender vents) with red interior. I don't remeber which color is shown on the 10-page color brochure (mine is still packed up as I recently moved into a new appartment). Can anyone check?

    2181GT (also used for some publicity photos) was also white with red interior, but I think it always had the production style side repeated located in normal position.

    Sometime late in 1960/early 1961 1903GT0 may have been repainted. The car appears medium colored in b/w-photos (definitely not white!) and I think the new color may have been red. The car seems to have been used by Enzo himself. It is also possible that Enzo put the same plates on another newly finished very early (red?) GTE.

    So I think the note saying "red mouseze tannery" may be trying to say "interior redyed in Monza red". It is unclear what happened to 1903GT after 1961; only the engine has ever surfaced.

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  10. cavallino

    cavallino Formula Junior

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    Yes I have a rear view one, I will post three photos later, but I have to scan them before.

    Alain
     
  11. cavallino

    cavallino Formula Junior

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    Front view 250 GT 2+2 pre-production car:
     
  12. cavallino

    cavallino Formula Junior

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    Side view 250 GT2+2 :
     
  13. cavallino

    cavallino Formula Junior

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    And the famous rear view :
     
  14. kare

    kare F1 Rookie
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    Found my copy of 10-page brochure. Unfortunately they don't properly show the interior and the photos have been touched up... I think the car still has tan interior in brocure photos - unfortunately the interior picture comes from another (dark) car - probably 1895GT.
     
  15. Gilles

    Gilles Karting

    Aug 10, 2003
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    Thanks you very much, Cavallino, Kare and Jhjvdm. Now I can see all the differences between real and model.....
    Gilles
     

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