250 GTO 4399 Crashed at Goodwood Revival.

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  1. miurasv

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    as there are many replicas racing at GR......this could be one of them.
    They also brought their 250 GTO "#4399R" 1962 model.
    some replica 250 SWB racing there as well
     
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    nope thats the real deal.. but no worries, it will be fixed, bit of unfolding aluminium, and some paint and its as good as new
     
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    did you check the s/n and chassis yourself?

    lots of replicas out there
    The list is too long lol
     
  5. miurasv

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    Needs a new steering wheel as well!!! Video of the crash here:

     
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    I understand it is the real one with a replica body....What a shame they still pretend like it's 1964... I was watching a E Type video of them slipping around in the rain. It does not matter with the replicas but cars like this it does.
     
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    Shmee was told this replica of 4399 when it had its 62 body was real but with a new body and got driven around the track by Dario Franchiti. It's even got a plaque on the gearbox tunnel with all the races that the real 4399 entered. He may not have read it properly though. It may say it's a tribute car. I could make out the name Terry Hoyle. See from about 1.50 and 16.50.

     
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    Cars are badly crashed every year at Goodwood during those stupid races. Let's hope that another skilled "carrozziere" can fix this wrong replica body correctly now.
     
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    Even the very early cars blessed by Classiche don't have bodywork that matches the original. You need look no further than the current issue Aug/Sept of Cavallino magazine to see the compromised styling details that don't match with the period photographs.
     
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    The inside story from Goodwood: the claim is being made there that the car that crashed is in fact the replica 330, and that the car wearing 62-style bodywork is in fact 4399. i.e. the bodies have been swapped.

    I cannot possibly believe this would be true. The 64-style body has been on 4399 for 99% of its life. Surely the car that crashed *is* 4399 (replica '64 body or not), and the 62-style car 'WER 5' is in fact 6713 as we all assume.

    This is also what the DVLA believes, so they'll be interested to learn if that's not the case...

    -Ed
     
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    The car that Shmee was driven in by Franchiti at Goodwood, WER 5, has the Terry Hoyle plaque on the gearbox tunnel.
     
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    Sad to see this but as you said, bit of unfolding aluminium, and some paint and its as good as new.

    These cars were made to race.
     
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    Sure thing. Just race it and race it and race it.
    Beat the life out of it to no end, until there's not one scrap of original car left. You own it, you can destroy it! Genius.

    *To be clear, I don't mean this as a personal attack in response to your comment.
     
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    So the car that Shmee rides in with Dario is also owned by Bamford?
     
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    The plaque in the car itself can be read in the video. It states:

    "This completely accurate tool room re-creation of Ferrari GTO chassis number 4399 was made by Terry Hoyle ex Maranello Concessionaires Senior Race Engineer, Chassis number 6713 in 1985."

    The chassis number is correct. It is 6713GT. The rest of it makes it sound like it was initially built up as a tribute to 4399GT, which is nonsense. The car was originally conceived as 330 GTO replica, inspired by 4561SA, which is why it originally had the 330-style bonnet bulge. Looks like history is being rewritten to suit how the car is now painted...

    -Ed
     
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    I dont think the crash damage was that bad and I can see both sides of the divide regarding racing them, I am still in favour of actually using them to do what they are designed for and if they get a little damaged, so be it. As for fakes, only us anoraks really care that much as to exactly how authentic they are, for many spectators its just about good racing between iconic classic cars and I can't see anything too wrong with that.
     
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    The crashed car is surely a real GTO, just rebodied to Series II body by Scaglietti in 1963.
     
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    ...all Shmee had to do was read the plaque to know the car is a replica. Surely he read it???? Also I can understand a plaque with the list of races on the real thing, but on a replica of it....
     
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    I am at Goodwood. Alain deCadenet just talked to our group. The 250 GTO was definitely a replica. Alain said that Lord Banford and many others realized that you cannot race these old cars and ever win a race. Most of the other cars we see have severe modifications today.
     
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    It would be interesting to know if it's a scratch built replica with a brand new engine and chassis or based on the chassis/engine of another Ferrari????
     
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    1985... So where has the real 4399 been all those years? Locked up? 4399 is one of my favorite Ferraris. Too bad it turns out that I've never seen the real thing...:(

    Edit: just saw the Schmee video and now I'm confused. why is there a plaque in WER5 about 4399? :?
     
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    That's a different replica that Tourquespeak was talking about. He was talking about the replica that Shmee was taken out in by Franchiti; the supposed tribute to the 62 bodied version of 4399. Ken was referring to the 64 bodied 250 GTO that crashed in the race being a replica of 4399 too.

    Replicas everywhere.....
     
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    Alain raced in the Kinrara Trophy race which had nine
    250 SWB Ferraris. The top seven spots went to Jaguars, many of them altered for the race.

    So the bottom line is "Do not believe all that you see".
    This is from Alain DeCadenet who was in one of the SWB cars. He was the first SWB to cross the line--
    8th position.
    Ken Goldman
     
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    It's supposed to be a tribute to it. Silly listing all the races that the replica didn't participate in, imo.
     

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