250 GTO s/n 3387

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  1. flavioleon

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    http://talacrest.com/ferrari-250-gto-3387/history/

    here you find the history of 3387 according to TALACREST.
    They say that the car after the 12 hours of Sebring on March 1962 would be come back to Maranello to be prepared for Le Mans on June.
    One of the changes was (according to the site) the addition of a rear wing bolted (and no longer riveted) across the all width of the tail hood (instead of part of the bonnet ), as we still see today the car. (Milanautoclassica 2017)

    In this regard, I express my doubts. The following photos show that :

    - at Le Mans on June 24th the spoiler was the narrowest original one
    - even at the 24H of Sebring on March 24, 1962, the configuration was the same
    - with the same car (small spoiler but with red color) Mike Gammino faced the 500Km of Bridgehampton on September 15, 1963
    - only on June 28, 1964, Gammino himnself brought the 3387 on the track to Watkins Glen with the rear wing modified ( it appears widened up to the two fenders )


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  2. Lusso123

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    Talacrest....they are simply a car dealer that fell into a great position. Granted they have worked for sales, but that is their goal.....selling....getting as much money as they can for cars they sell, not for correct historic information. They are one of the proponents of changing cars from how they were. They have ruined a few, maybe more. With regard to historical accuracy, they are not a source, and one should not put much faith in anything they say as really being fully correct or accurate. Best to only rely on other much more reliable sources for correct histories and information.
     
  3. tomgt

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    just rely on the Messiah, he is always right, no lies, no BS stories, objective and honest.
     
  4. flavioleon

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    i agree.......infact i suppose they changed M. Massini thinking too ......................
     
  5. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    While I respect those that may feel differently, restoring a car to any of the following

    - As first raced/ bodied/ left the factory
    - As at its most famous victory/ event
    - As last raced/ bodied/ modified

    Or any other in period look is legitimate, after all no-one could nor should want the Breadvan returned to being just another Short Wheelbase solely for the purproses of suiting some type of blanket policy. Looking at pre-war cars and you can easily find examples from across the spectrum of legitimate restoration types. Now if Mike Gammino never ran with the full length Kamm tail then you would have a decent argument it isn't original

    Just my 5 cents
     
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  6. Marcel Massini

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  8. BMWairhead

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    A repeat front the "more GTO chat" thread...

    The spoiler is not the feature that makes a GTO a Kamm tail. Think of a Kamm tail as a teardrop that has been truncated or chopped. The abrupt, flat rear end is the Kamm tail...not the partial or full width spoiler.

    Kamm tails are an aerodynamic feature that is intended to make the car 'slippery' and go faster. The spoiler is an aerodynamic feature that reduces a tendency to lift.
     
  9. flavioleon

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    First of all.... Sorry for my poor english.
    I just affirm that between march and june 1962 was not installed any " full width rear spoiler" ......... nothing more.
    A different full width spoiler was bolted only on 1964.
    That is all.
     
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  10. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    All good, I totally agree with your point, Prof. Kamms design made for some interesting cars and yes a GTO is not a pure Kamm design unlike say an Alfa TZ. My post was because I incorrectly assumed the OP was "dissing" the car for a period accurate modification and now I know that wasn't the case.
     
  11. Enzo91

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    So is 3387 not a real GTO? It looks like it isn't listed on Talacrest's site anymore. Does anyone know if it sold?
     
  12. readplays

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    3387 is the 2nd of 36 250 GTOs made by Ferrari. Very real.
     
  13. Marcel Massini

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    Sold a couple weeks ago. Not by Talacrest. Their contract expired earlier.

    Marcel Massini
     
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    Can you say which country/continent it is headed to?
     
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    Rebodied by Scaglietti
    When owned by Griswold major works done to bodywork again.
     
  18. Enzo91

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    Any idea of the general amount it ended up selling for? I know Talacrest wanted like $58M for it. I thought maybe it would sell for $45M-$50M.
     
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    I heard the car was sold to a buyer in Italy. Does anybody know who it was?
     
  20. Marcel Massini

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    Not correct.
    (The fact that the car was temporarily stored at Ferrari Classiche in Maranello doesn't mean it was sold to somebody in Italy)

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  21. Matthew Walters

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    I understand however that is what I was told originally. The vehicle has now been sold to an American according to my sources. No price indication though. Wondering how true this info is....
     
  22. Marcel Massini

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    It is not.

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  23. Matthew Walters

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    So is the vehicle still available to buy
     
  24. readplays

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    As Marcel said, sold- just not by Talacrest (whose contract had expired).
    He's confirmed that the buyer is not in Italy or an American.

    Welcome to Fchat. I'm sure more info will be forthcoming but sometimes these things take time.
     
  25. Matthew Walters

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    So has the new owner gone public yet? Does anyone have anymore information. I feel weird for asking....... Excuse me if I'm a little over interested but is this not one of the most, if not the most expensive car in the world. Just seems a little weird how there is no information about one of the biggest sales in history....
     
  26. Jeff Kennedy

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    Not unknown information, just not information spread around for the amusement of everyone. I am not one of those in the know but it won't be a secret inside the correct circle. Look for event entries at places like Cavallino as the name of the new owner may be listed.
     
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  27. wbaeumer

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    Matthew,

    why is it soooo important for you to know who -privately- payed this kind of high figures for the car??? Privacy has to be respected. The name of the new owner is -in my humble opinion- only important for dealers/brokers of cars. I, as a broker, don`t know the name...and I don`t care!
     
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