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  1. John B

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    Nice!
    It will look great with the tan interior.
     
  2. 275GTBSaran

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    Thank you. The interior I will first be doing in the winter upcoming. The specialist is so overbooked with work he cannot take me (talk about a nice problem to have). Another sign that the classic car market is currently on steroids....
     
  3. 330 4HL

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    ops!; me bad.

    I thought when you bought the leather that you were going to have them done right away.

    ciao - rick
     
  4. 275GTBSaran

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    Perhaps one of the nicest colors on a 275 GTB/4 is grigio Fumo (smoke grey). It is a mix between light blue and grey and the color changes depending on the light. I have photographed one seen at DK Engineering. Some nice 250 SWB and a nice Lusso also in the post below.

    DK Engineering: A well run family operation » Le Monde Edmond
     
  5. Marcel Massini

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    None of the 275 GTB/4s were originally painted Grigio Fumo.

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  6. 275GTBSaran

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    Marcel- correct but I have found out that the option was available at the time to 275 GTB/4 owners. Strange that none of them would decided on that colour!
     
  7. 275GTBSaran

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    Marcel kindly pointed out that this is indeed not true. So I stand corrected, mostly likely Grigio Fumo was NOT available at the time to GTB and GTB/4 owners
     
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    parfaitement d'accord!
     
  9. BIRA

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    Yes will upload some. But first need to upload and some writing on MM..and had a very busy working week! Significant metal work needed when one goes to full bare metal. Mechanically almost ready to be put back, saw all mechanical pieces ready at workshop , engine and carbs have ben rebuilt, but metal work will take several month. Not expected to be back on road before next June! But the car was not driven for 41 years,,,,so few month don't really matter!
     
  10. BIRA

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    #260 BIRA, May 26, 2013
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    Attached pictures of the car as bought, as raced in period [see long nose and clear color even in B&W] and the process to take the paint off [again note the blue color under the red].
    I talked to the previous owner of 41 years and the car was already read when he bought the car, so change of color happend earlier.
    With the car fully dismantled and all the paint in and out taken off, the real metal work to be done appears clearly. The under part of the floor need to be done and a lot of areas have to be patched. The guideline here is to replace just what is necessary, even it it takes more time, and to preserve as much of the original metal as possible.
    A lengthy process, well in excess of 1200 hours for the body shop. Mechanical parts already done, including full engine rebuild.
    Should be on the raod next summer!
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  11. 275GTBSaran

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    BIRA- thank you for the great pictures. Do you know what blue the original color was? It looks very nice. When would you recommend an engine rebuild? A friend of mine told me when your engine stops working well (carbs not working well), pull of car not strong. He told me to enjoy the car untill it stops working well. According to the last owner the last engine rebuild was over 10 years ago but I am not sure how much was driven on the car since then. Any advice from engineers or expert appreciated!
     
  12. Marcel Massini

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    Original exterior color: Rosso Chiaro 20-R-190.
    Original interior Color: Beige VM 3218.

    Marcel Massini
     
  13. Ferrari_250tdf

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    Edmond,

    before you invest in an expensive engine rebuild check some things which can give you a good indication about the state of your engine.
    1. Oil pressure when the oil is hot. If it is shows the recommended numbers there is nothing to worry about.
    2. Compression test: All cylinders should have more or less the same compression.
    3. Check the valve and ignition timing.
    4. Check the valve clearing and if the top of the valve is flat. If so ok.
    5. The carbs should be clean and the linkage with as little play as possible to set the carbs proper.
    6. Oil consumption: A consumption of up to 3l/1.000 km is always acceptable.

    If you know a good shop that has a test bench put your car on it and check the set up and power.

    And if your engine is not a heavy smoker enjoy it! If the last rebuild has been done with care (not always the case) your engine should be good for min. 25.000 km! Of course with regular service and proper warm up before hard use.

    Have fun

    Matthias
     
  14. BIRA

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    Thanks Marcel. But there was not one hint of the original red color when we took the top red coat off. Below this , outside but also inside and even in the covered or hidden areas, it was all Celeste Chiaro Metalizzato , so I would assume at the time the front was changed to long nose (before 1967 as in the 1967 Ferrari yearbook the car has a long nose) the car was subject to a full full bare metal respray and all original paint was taken off.
    Or for whatever reason, the car was not delivered with the color indicated by the Ferrari archives..would not be the first time?
    On the Pontedecimo Giovi hill climb picture the car has also clearly wire wheels, although your sources indicates that the option was scrapped and the car was delivered with alloys. Funnily it was found with alloys wheels but again in 1967 as documented it had wires.
    And we still have to find out who did the conversion to LN, as mentioned the change was from A pilar, no trace of welding on the front,so if change it was done from the door forward .
     
  15. BIRA

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    Hi Matthias:
    With 3 liters of oil per 1000km, you are subsidizing the oil majors!
    If have a slightly different approach, if a car is fully restored and has to be driven to events like Tour Auto ( 2 engines blown up and one more needing a full rebuilt in 7 tour auto,,not bad!) but only when the engines were not rebuilt before so now I prefer to do everything at the same time, like electric wiring and engine etc. specially we need to take the engine out to do the full restoration of the engine bay, and I don't like the idea of pulling again the engine/ trans after the engine bay has been detailed.
    But I accept that this is a luxury approach...like having 2 fully rebuilt engines when you are racing with one and keeping the original one in a crate, I like having both rebuilt...I had that on the LM, and I have that on the TZ..we need to support out common friend the engine builder!!!
     
  16. readplays

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    Thanks for sharing the wonderful pics, BIRA.
    So great to see 275's in such caring hands as yours, Edmond's, Mark's.
    Very special cars and it's fantastic that conscientious and enthusiastic owners are looking after them.

    Best,
    Dave
     
  17. 275GTBSaran

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    Dear Matthias,

    I very much appreciate your Email. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you very much for taking the time. Best regards from Zurich, Edmond ps: I dont mind subsidizing the oil industry BIRA- I have large equity positions in oil majors (especially one) which has not worked out as planned ;)
     
  18. 275GTBSaran

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    Dave- thank you for your kind comments- very much appreciated.
     
  19. Ferrari_250tdf

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    #269 Ferrari_250tdf, May 28, 2013
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    My motto is: Never change a well running system, it only can get worse.

    But of course make sure the detailing of the engine matches the detailing of the restored car.

    There will be still enough work for our mechanics to help them raise their kids and give them a good education.

    But if it's not running well: Do it right when everything is apart anyway. I totally agree with you BIRA.

    All the best

    Matthias
     
  20. 275GTBSaran

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    Thank you very much Edmond.

    May I suggest this deserves its own thread. If Mr. Niles dares protest about the fuss being made about him, perhaps Chuck Queener will be good enough to come along and prod him into it.

    Either way, thank you again Edmond.
     
  22. Sig. Roma

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    Thanks for posting the Ed Niles interview, it was great !!!
     
  23. amenasce

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    Wow..just saw this. That is absolutely gorgeous.
     
  24. 365man

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    Interesting fact RE paint. Does anyone know why some 275 4-cam cars have power windows and others have manual crank? Was this an option? Evolution? or ___?
     
  25. Marcel Massini

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