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  1. Jasonjohnyates

    Oct 16, 2010
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    Is there much debate between the two? What's the difference, ownership and driving experience? While we are at it, how about Short nose verses Long nose? Seems that dealers prefer to highlight the benefits of the GTB/4 but I wonder how much if that is influenced by the higher prices asked and probable higher margin?
     
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  3. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Long nose is more stable at speed. Later torque tube cars are better as the engine and transaxle are hooked together and less misalignment of drive train occurs. Original cars smoked a lot but valve seals fixes that. Look for rust especially under rear cockpit exit ducts. Six carb cars are more valuable.

    These cars cost a lot to restore. The clutch is a bit heavy and the cockpit get hot. The defrosters are iffy. I drove my 2 cam long nose alloy car 65K miles. Not to good in the snow. Last collector Ferrari I ever sold.

    Wish I hadn't.
     
  4. Ferraripilot

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    65k miles! Impressive Jim. How were those carbs and weak ignition in winter
     
  5. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    The Carbs weren't a problem. Taking almost an hour to get the oil off of the peg even with the radiator covered in cardboard, a bit.
     
  6. BIGHORN

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    +1 on carbs. Mine (8539) had an electronic ignition concealed above and behind the coils. Big improvement in starting and point life.

    Probably would go to pointless conversion if I was doing it now
     
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  8. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    If you're going to drive it especially in traffic I would too. I had a lot of plugs foul.
     
  9. kare

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    Why not install a Mercedes diesel engine while at it? Even bigger improvement and no problems with ignition ever again! Best wishes, Kare
     
  10. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Kare

    When you put over 700K miles on various Ferrari's in the rain sleet and snow, on the track, in NYC traffic, and make modifications that the Factory adapts get back to me.

    ;)
     
  11. kare

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    Maybe I've seen too many electric ignitions installed on cars where a proper tune-up would have been the perfect answer.
     
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  13. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    The laws of Physics remain the Laws of Physics and the statement that a "proper tune-up"
    will magically contravene them is silly.

    A 275 GTB with plugs, points and conventional ignition, stuck in traffic for a while (as memorised in "A New Leaf" "Carbon on the plugs") will foul plugs period. Your insulting John Kelly who actually owned a 275 GTB doesn't change that fact.
     
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  15. Ed Niles

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    There were actually 3 different drive-shaft configurations. The first series were notorious for problems caused by mis-alignment of the engine and/or gearbox, resulting in vibration. Also, the first and second series had a small amount of torque-steer as the engine was not solidly connected to the rear-end. In my mind, a long-nose 2-cam is every bit as good as a 4-cam, especially with the 6-carb option, and easier to set valves on. But the market likes the look of the 4-cam, and you can't argue with the market. I don't agree with Jim about the heavy clutch; I found all my 275's (14 of 'em!) a delight to drive, although the shifter is a bit "notchy". The short-nose, if the drive-train is ok, represents a better value, although most people prefer the long-nose look. As someone around here likes to say, just one man's opinion.
     
  16. BIGHORN

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    It was a really good car. Since I sold it, had a lot of (unneeded) work done and changed hands several times, not because of appreciation as price not changed much after the 1st resale after me

    Also I agree with Ed re performance realtive to 4 cams. Based on my track event experience, 2 and 4 cams pretty similar in performance
     
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  18. djaffrey

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    Interesting and yet lovely shade of blue. Reminds me of my old GTE's colour

    Question : Why do some 275's sport a pony on the font grille and others don't (for the un-initiated as in me). Looks much cleaner and better without imho. Does it denote 2 or 4 cam or just owners preference...
     
  19. kare

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    Please don't get upset. I remain in my position: usually when a traditional ignition systems get replaced, people don't even bother to have a look at the old system, which in many cases would serve them perfectly only if set up with correct parts and properly tuned.

    Very little, if any, to do with laws of physics. Even less with insulting anybody.

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  20. malcolmb

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    Bighorn: 8545 has electronic ignition concealed in a similar manner. It has carried me 30,000 miles in the last five years, in half a dozen rallies in the USA, twice trying to keep up with Jim in Sicily, and not once have I given ignition a second thought. It starts in the cold, doesnt foul the plugs in the heat of traffic. When I do the next big service it will get breakerless triggers.
    Malcolm
     
  21. Napolis

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    #18 Napolis, Jul 5, 2011
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    Kare

    Your comment to John Kelly was extremely insulting:

    "Why not install a Mercedes diesel engine while at it? Even bigger improvement and no problems with ignition ever again!"

    especially as John actually has experience with 275 GTB's and the problems that their original ignition systems have starting in the cold and fouling in hot traffic. As another person Malcomb who also has experience having driven his 275 GTB 30K miles noted:

    "Bighorn: 8545 has electronic ignition concealed in a similar manner. It has carried me 30,000 miles in the last five years, in half a dozen rallies in the USA, twice trying to keep up with Jim in Sicily, and not once have I given ignition a second thought. It starts in the cold, doesnt foul the plugs in the heat of traffic. When I do the next big service it will get breakerless triggers.
    Malcolm "

    The mechanic that Mr. Ferrari personally sent to the US to work with Mr. Chinetti also noted these problems as he maintained and tuned my 275 GTB which I drove over 65K miles during 1971 and 72 under his tuning and after talking with The Factory put an early version of the Dinoplex on my 275 GTB which allowed me to drive it in hot traffic without fouling plugs.
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  22. Birel

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    My opinion: A late 2 cam with the torque tube, even better if 6 carb. I think the 2 cam engine is nicer to look at, and possibly a bit lighter than the 4 cam? And of course 20% cheaper than a 4 cam, on average !! But any 275GTB would make me happy.
     
  23. tx246

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    Jim,

    Did you add the paint features or was it like that when you got it?
     
  24. Texas Forever

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    Who is that hippie behind the wheel?

    Dale
     
  25. joehayes

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    Actually Walter Matthau kept complaining of "carbon on the valves" as to why his 275 spent so much time on the flatbed. Great movie from 1971 "A new Leaf".
     
  26. kare

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    I've privately sent my sincerest apologies to John in case he feels the same way as you do.

    (Sorry folks, the pissing contest is over).

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  27. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Meg's Husband of 40 years.

    She took the photo.
     
  28. michael platzer

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    #25 michael platzer, Jul 6, 2011
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    What a great pic Jim!

    best regards
    Michael
     

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