296 VS

We haven’t seen VS yet. Regular could be better. If we lose front trunk space that would be a damn shame and crush the usability.

 

I think I mentioned before, but I heard one less spider and one more coupe, but depends on clientele. We have 4 f80s coming. Doesn’t leave much room for us others. Lol

 

We know there's a need for more aero, buyers / critics want performance over convenience.
Things are changing - placing lifter on XX to compete with racing suspension - they are trying.

 

That gap keeps growing expect a full 100k or more IMO

 

If it’s killer, great. Bring some positive attention to the hybrid scene.

 

what is the price you are willing to pay...assuming this car is epic...something truly spectacular. What is the max price you will pay? I see Pistas are 500-600k and Speciales are in the same range.....

 

More depends on the specced price. Maybe $650 specced (TM). Just depends on what we see.

 

Specials are above Pista - 1- 200k
XX was short of epic at 1m vs F80 Monza 3-4m - places VS well below. For some reason I think the VS and SF90M will be more alike than different.
Add 60 coupe 90 spider - guess. It's not just msrp. XX paint and other items went up 20%

 

Is the XX epic?

this will be the better driving car, like 296 was vs sf90. Hard to beat rwd with more “nimbleness.” Lol

 

Has Ferrari ever had two concurrent mid-engine supercars in the lineup, like the 296 and SF90?

The SF90XX is going to suck up alot of the oxygen in the room that would have been spared for a 296VS.

 

512BB and 308, also the Testarossa and 328/348.

 

[QUOTE="Lagunae92, post: 150078660, member: 214943"\
]Is the XX epic?
this will be the better driving car, like 296 was vs sf90. Hard to beat rwd with more “nimbleness.” Lol[/QUOTE]

In this thread VS but a new F car garage full of keys with est value 10m - F80 XX Monza SF90M VS
Add 30m of older epics - Enzo F50 LaF F50 288
50M later of epic reality - all Ferrari models have the potential to offer an owner - epic elements.

 

THIS. I had this issue with the 992 GT3RS. I use my cars, so no frunk makes the car pointless imo. You can't take your manometer, little compressor and fireproof gear to the track. You can't take it on longer trips where you need luggage.

 

Yes. Exactly. No storage space is a no go for me. Both 296 and 765 have ample front trunks.

 

In this thread VS but a new F car garage full of keys with est value 10m - F80 XX Monza SF90M VS
Add 30m of older epics - Enzo F50 LaF F50 288
50M later of epic reality - all Ferrari models have the potential to offer an owner - epic elements.[/QUOTE]

This doesn’t make any sense

 

This doesn’t make any sense[/QUOTE]

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Don't be lazy - open your mind.

Epic - used to describe any media that has a large scope, that speaks about the human condition and that is ambitious with artistic goals. Elements that typically distinguish epics include superhuman deeds, fabulous adventures, highly stylized language, and a blending of lyrical and dramatic traditions.

What doesn't make sense - makes sense in owners garages - perspective of VS for many who will at best drive their cars occasionally.

 

Dealer has confirmed they are receiving 15% less 296VS compared to Pista's; including Spiders.

 

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Don't be lazy - open your mind.

Epic - used to describe any media that has a large scope, that speaks about the human condition and that is ambitious with artistic goals. Elements that typically distinguish epics include superhuman deeds, fabulous adventures, highly stylized language, and a blending of lyrical and dramatic traditions.

What doesn't make sense - makes sense in owners garages - perspective of VS for many who will at best drive their cars occasionally.[/QUOTE]
Fair. One may argue that any Ferrari is an epic adventure, depending on personal past experiences. I’ll say this. We have never been left disappointed by a VS model. I can’t remember one that wasn’t better looking or performing, so we have that going for it. As far as frunk space, yes, one of the benefits of the 296 over an sf90 is storage, and it would be foolish to lose enough to make it less useful. The Pista had an S duct and ample storage, so I wouldn’t EXPECT anything different, but we will soon see.

 

15% less in year 1? I can't imagine total production numbers are final, unless they are saying they will produce at most 15% less. Pista numbers are debatable, but some numbers suggest 6,000 produced.

 

41 dealers in US- that would equate to 25% of Pista - 1500 over 30 per dealer, are you seriously making this argument. Between the trunk and production - there will be no surprises.

 

That’s a worldwide number my man and as I said, estimated as high as. I’ll give you some supporting documents to that in a bit since I don’t keep them on my phone but hang tight don’t have a panic attack. I’m not making an argument for anything.

 

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So, we see 10,391 cars produced in 2019 from Ferraris 2019-2020 financial report. This is publicly available. Credit to @RayJohns for this one. 64% of those cars were “sports and special series”, which would be 6,484. Credit to @ACK for this graph.

Again, this is for one year, and not all of those sport and special series were Pistas I’m sure but I’m also sure that number is higher than you thought.

For more fun reading, guys can revisit this thread: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/488-pista-6-000-units-being-produced.617773/ which is just fun to see when Pistas were going for under MSRP for a short period of time. Again, I’m not making an argument for anything. I’m simply showing you what the high numbers possibly are.

Thanks

 

Yes, but none of those cars really had a "special" or track focused edition, like there is with the 296 and 296VS and the SF90 and SF90XX

 

this video is pretty good....

 

Our Pista was $420. We sold for $550, that owner sold for $475 (I was told) and then that guy sold it on BAT for $550k.

Our (used) Scuderia was $305. We were owner 2, we paid $303. Don't recall what I sold it for, but I do know Scuds are now in the $300s. (It is interesting that Scuderias never really went nutty on pricing like the Speciale and the Pista.) Why did the prices of both the Pista and the Scud have peaks and valleys over such a short periods of time? The prevailing economy, buyers expectations, competition. Point being, the past VS cars aren't always that S.

The biggest factor is the sense of exclusivity. If Ferrari makes too many, over prices, reads the market wrong the 296VS may follow the Scuderia pattern vs the Speciale or Pista.

All of that said, I am willing to bet that the 296VS is going to be a next level VS. Something truly special. It feels like Ferrari is about to surprise all of us. Less marketing and more...dare I say, risky. Not like the Pista etc. Those cars followed a predictable pattern.