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  1. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Are they the same car ( same chassis # ) but with bigger engine ?

    How many of them are left ? Who owns them ? Whats their current value ? 9m$+ ?
     
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  3. macca

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  4. kevfla

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    I think Peter Sachs owns one. Seen it at Cavallino. There couldn't be anymore than 2 or 3.

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  5. WILLIAM H

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    Peter Sachs owns it, there is only 1 I believe

    I think the 315/335 S are 1 & the same, Ferrari just enlarged the engine

    I saw it at Pocono a few years ago
     
  6. El Wayne

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  9. El Wayne

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    Boudewijn, you have left off 0676 (520B).

    While we're at it, here's a complete list of the extended family to the best of my limited knowledge. Will someone here who is more knowledgeable than I please make any necessary corrections?

    Tipo 520 chassis:

    0602 (860 Monza)
    0604 (860 Monza)

    0606 (290 MM)
    0616 (290 MM)
    0626 (290 MM)
    0628 (290 MM)
    0646 (290 S >>> 315 S >>> 335 S >>> ?) (Engine only or chassis and engine used in 312 S s/n 0744?)
    0656 (290 S >>> 315 S)

    Tipo 520B chassis:

    0674 (315 S >>> 335 S)
    0676 (315 S >>> 335 S)
    0684 (315 S)
    0700 (335 S)
    0764 (335 S)

    Tipo 524 chassis:
    0744 (312 S(?) >>> 412 S) (Was 0646?)
     
  10. vroomgt

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    obvious question......I know but which is the De Portago/Nelson car?
     
  11. Aardy

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    De Portago's car was 0646
     
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  13. Marcel Massini

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    0676 was NEVER a complete chassis or car. Just an engine.
    Marcel Massini
     
  14. iwanna860monza

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    Does anyone know if the 290MM '0626' is still at Mas du Clos or if it has been sold.

    And if anyone is interested this is where I think they may be in 2005
    860 Monza - 0602 - Fritz Grashei, Germany
    860 Monza - 0604 - Eric Hereema, UK
    290 MM - 0606 - (whats left of it) John Godfrey, UK
    290 MM - 0616 - Ed Davies, USA
    290 MM - 0626 - see above
    860 Monza/ 290 MM - 0628 - Shirley, USA
    290 S/ 315 S - 0646 - Written Off (or is just waiting for an Fchatter to discover he he)
    290 S/ 315 S - 0656 - Giorgio Perfetti, Switzerland
    290 MM/ 250 TR - 0666 - Shirley, USA
    315 S - 0674 - Mas du Clos, France
    335 S - 0676 - Written Off
    315 S - 0684 - McCaw, USA
    335 S - 0700 - Sachs, USA
    335 S/ 312 S/ 412 MI - 0744 - Could be yours if you have, what, $10 million+
    335 S - 0764 - McCaw, USA

    Although with old racing Ferrari's one never really knows do they

    Tim
     
  15. MJarrettR

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    0626 reportedly has been sold

    -Jarrett
     
  16. richardowen

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    Curious, does anyone have a recent pic of 0656 from Giorgio Perfetti, Switzerland
     
  17. driver

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    Wayne and Marcel...I know that you two compile extremely complete information regarding the more famous cars. The first private owner of 0684 was Gene Greenspun of New York, who raced the car on the opening day at Bridgehampton. That car appeared on the cover of a record album entitled "Jazz for Lovers". In the photo with the car was Mr. Gui Manoni, a Chinetti mechanic. I had loaned the album to Stan Nowak, who unfortunately passed away before returning it.
     
  18. El Wayne

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    Thanks! Love interesting little tidbits of info like that.
     
  19. Bryanp

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    Around 1966, Gui Minoni conferred w/ my dad about the 9-plate (i.e., no slip)clutch in the Mondial - Gui sold him a composite clutch w/ spacers, we think from a 250LM, so that dad would not have to lay 5 feet of rubber at every stop light. The Mondial is cammed such that it's got nothing below about 3800; so you'd have to rev it to 3800+ and then drop it; below that it would just jump a foot or so and die . . . In his experience, Gui was one of the few inside Ferrari in those days that would help the low-budget sports racer guys.
     
  20. FerrariStuff.com

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  21. Ed Niles

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    Just a little reminiscing, if I may be indulged: One of the best races I ever watched was at Riverside, with P. Hill driving the 412MI v. the Scarab. The lead was swapped every lap for an extended period. The hot-rodder in me was rooting for the Scarab, but I was already into F-cars so I was really wringing my hands! (The Scarab won). Years later, I had a fast ride in 0744, and it was everything I had expected and more. Scared the crap out of me, and I was young enough then to not scare easily!

    A few years later, Pierre Bardinon asked me what my favorite was, and of course I responded, "412MI". He grinned and showed me his 315. At least we were on the same wave-length, but I thought to myself, "Okay, but its not QUITE the same".

    To me these cars represented the pinnacle of front-engined Ferraris. I'm glad to see some serious collectors agree.

    Blah, blah, blah. Thanks for reading this far!
     
  22. FerrariStuff.com

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    Ed,

    is it correct that you once owned Dino 206 S/N 024?
     
  23. MJarrettR

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    Great story Ed, did you ask Pierre Bardinon what his favorite Ferrari was? Did you get a ride in s/n 0674? Wish I could have been there....

    -Jarrett
     
  24. Old Guy

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    Ed owned 206 SP chassis 002 at about the time I owned 024. He used it extensively and wrote several stories about his experiences for the FOC magazine.

    It's possible that 024 subsequently passed through his hands; I sold it to California, where it went through several owners.

    O.G.
     
  25. FerrariStuff.com

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    OG,

    can I pick you brain a little on 024?

    I just acquired the entrance form from Nino Vaccarella for the 1967 Trapani / Monte Erice hillclimb, stating that he will enter "Ferrari Dino 206 2000 Telaio 024" but can't find any info on that car actually being entered in that race.

    Do you have any recollection of that?
     
  26. Marcel Massini

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    024 went from O.G. to Bob Taylor in Burlingame/CA. That was late 1979.
    Taylor sold it to Robert Rauch in Santa Ana/CA. Fall 1983 Ed Niles offered it on behalf of Rauch and in 1984 it was sold to Peter Sachs. Today it is owned by Michael Mak of Hong Kong.
    In 1967 024 was entered/hillclimbed regularly by Scuderia Brescia Corse for Marsilio Pasotti who used the alias name "Pam". Jonathan Williams and Mario Casoni also raced 024. In 1968 the car was sold to Alain De Cadenet and repainted purple (yes).
    Marcel Massini
     
  27. FerrariStuff.com

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    Tasty! Grinnn

    I'll scan the Vaccarella document.
     
  28. FerrariStuff.com

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    #25 FerrariStuff.com, Dec 22, 2005
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    Here it is...

    Please note that the color of the paper nicely matches De Cadenet's taste for body colors...

    Entrant: Nino Vaccarella
    Driver: Nino Vaccarella
    Telaio: 024

    For good order's sake, the document is dated August 18, 1967 and the hillclimb took place on August 27 & 28 if I am not mistaken.
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