Good evening, gents. I’m sure like many others here have fallen in love with the 360 N-GT sound and at 9500rpm and 540hp, sounds like one of the ultimate 360 builds! I tried to search to find what engine modifications the N-GT has to go up the 145HP and max our at another 1,000RPM all the while sounding like one of the most insane cars ever created. All I can find on the engine tune is that the engine is “derestricted”. What exactly does that mean? I apologize if this has been posted before. I searched, but found nothing. and as always, any help is greatly appreciated.
I'm sure a lot of folks who love their 360 would be very interested how to get 458like HP. I'm listening...
Definitely alot more then a tune check toda racing they sell all the internal ferrari 360 parts. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
I was the keeper of NGT #004. It came along with two NGT engines that I had the opportunity to put a lot of time into. The gains were internal as thought with significant increases in compression, valve specifications, cam profile & timing as well as many other modifications that allow for the airpump (that is what an engine basically is) to perform at a higher capacity. All of the changes are hot-rod tricks that even the most basic hod-rod gurus have been using since the beginning of time. The same procedures used to get a Ford flathead or the mighty small block Chevy to perform work on the Ferrari engines too. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login The car had restrictors at the air intake (that are removable) for particular sanctioning bodies. But even with them in place the power was ample. The "derestriction" you speak of has to do with these intake bits. Here I am getting with the program in that same NGT:
Goes to show you how modified running maf less tune a catch can everything is deleted.pretty cool. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
You must remember that this was a very special constructed full racecar. Composite panels etc. 2350 dry.
Here are two pics of me getting a ride in the Michelotto 360 GT years ago on track days at Summit Point in WVA. The owner Ally Ashe owned the car and Ferrari of Washington at the time. I was told only 16 of these babies were produced. Ride of a lifetime!! Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
This is special. makes cs look tame, I feel like the cs needs more performance vs just wgt redux. amazing the potential left on the table w. This platform.
I dunno... One4torque when the Challenge Stradale was 1st introduced Ferrari touted these bullet points: Updated Front bumper Updated rear bumper Rear diffuser Sharper Side skirts Underbody tray (50% lighter than Modena) Lexan back window with Carbon Fiber grills and braces Lexan side windows optional outside US Thinner and lighter windshield Titanium lugnuts Titanium springs Carbon Fiber door panels, sills, center console Carbon Fiber seat shells Carbon Fiber intake filter boxes Carbon Fiber mirrors Carbon Fiber panels (water shields) in engine compartment Indented gas door with polished cavallino CCM brakes 19″ Challenge style wheels Pirelli Corsa tires Low back pressure exhaust Titanium exhaust tips Launch Control Mass air flow sensor upgrade Valve spring positioning change Claimed special engine component selection, machining and polishing New engine and F1 transmission mapping firmware The Media then took note of these items directly thereafter: Rear engine lid (had revised more protruding ‘nulder’ for downforce) Uprated clutch (to handle Launch Control) Uprated drive-shafts (to handle Launch Control) Engine bay to passenger compartment glass – thinner, lighter. Due to fitment of CF engine panels and CS sports exhaust, they also implemented a pair of fitted heat shields. Free flowing air box resonator (less airflow restriction) The MAF (Mass Airflow Sensors) a pair of bigger ones where used to stop air restrictions at the very top end of the revs (for squeezing the last few bhp out). Dashboard instrumentation fascia clocks revised, rev counter in bright yellow Dashboard instrumentation fascia cover in carbon Dashboard heater controls fascia cover in carbon (smaller, deleing stereo space) Dashboard lower (revised, deleting glovebox and stereo box, less weight) New s/w for dash clocks (including CCM brakes wear algorithm and race mode graphics among other updates) New s/w for suspension tcu New s/w for abs controller (in addition to the already noted ignition ecu’s (pair) and transmission ecu). New s/w settings for throttle maps (much more sensitive) New s/w settings for valve opening (opens later than on a Modena) On the blueprinting of the engine, all 360’s engines were blueprinted but to within 2% tolerances when bench tested. On the Stradale that tolerance was down to just 0.5% so the selection of pistons, connecting rods, etc. was obviously more precise hence CS’s should be virtually identical in power between one and another (from factory when new). It was/is a lot more than just weight reduction. The performance is there on many levels. Not just acceleration., but braking & cornering. This is a well rounded car.
You can kinda guess where I got the inspiration on the look of my car. Lol. Image Unavailable, Please Login
What do you estimate the cost on parts alone would be to upgrade a 360 engine into a N-GT? I’m strongly considering doing this build to my car. I never plan on selling it. I unfortunately get way too attached to my toy cars. Lol.
Mike b- do not argue the extra bits on the cs but why leave so much hp tq on the table? wonder how many hrs this tuned spec will run between refresh
$35-45K+. Maybe more. You can have the pistons made, and get a connecting rod to match (that could put up with the power). You can do the cylinder head work and flow bench requirements. Port match the whole assembly. Upgraded the intake. Custom make the headers. Then get crazy with the cams. And you will need a perfectionist to assemble it all & get it dialed in. Then once you are done be ready for a crabby, nearly unstreetable (no to low vacuum) mother of a engine not nearly suited for anything but 115 octane fuel. This is why most people just put turbos on a factory engine build and get the power level of the NGT without the poor street manors. Why? The answer is above. Ferrari made it so you could put an Armani suit on and go to your favorite dinner spot without using a tool kit. NGT spec is not made for street use. Period. I have ridiculous cars that have engine specs like the NGT. I don't drive them like I do my Stradale. But I work on them more than my Stradale.
Fantastic input. Very much appreciated. I considered a twin turbo setup, but I don’t want to sacrifice the sound. The sound is what makes the car extremely unique. I’ll probably focus on all the bolt on mods I can get away with. Intake, headers, straight pipe, ECU Stradale tune.....am I missing anything else?
Just buy these parts https://www.toda-racing.co.jp/en/product/piston/f131b-strokerkit.html Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
I've read of people decking the heads for some extra compression. I'd be keen for some hotter cams, inc compression. 450-475 HP would be lovely. When I get the resources i envision: beat modena f1 donor massive wgt redux (sell off the fancy bits to breakers) gated swap... engine mods.. safety gear: racing seats, cage. nothing posh, function over posh.
I would definitely trade my 360 for a challenge car as long as I get to keep my center lock wheels and my groupp m air box lol. Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
I wouldn't want to drive a 360 /430 challenge on the street even if it is legal. U-turn can be a hassle, the clunk when shifting is unnerving, the exhaust is unpleasantly loud, the seat is too unforgiving, getting out and getting in the car is a PITA, u name it.
