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360 N-GT tuned to 540HP!!? How?

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  1. YanniThanos

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    Good evening, gents.

    I’m sure like many others here have fallen in love with the 360 N-GT sound and at 9500rpm and 540hp, sounds like one of the ultimate 360 builds!

    I tried to search to find what engine modifications the N-GT has to go up the 145HP and max our at another 1,000RPM all the while sounding like one of the most insane cars ever created.

    All I can find on the engine tune is that the engine is “derestricted”. What exactly does that mean?

    I apologize if this has been posted before. I searched, but found nothing.

    and as always, any help is greatly appreciated.
     
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  3. KC360 FL

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    I'm sure a lot of folks who love their 360 would be very interested how to get 458like HP.
    I'm listening...
     
  4. 02360spider

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    Definitely alot more then a tune check toda racing they sell all the internal ferrari 360 parts.

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    #4 Michael B, Jun 25, 2020
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    I was the keeper of NGT #004. It came along with two NGT engines that I had the opportunity to put a lot of time into.

    The gains were internal as thought with significant increases in compression, valve specifications, cam profile & timing as well as many other modifications that allow for the airpump (that is what an engine basically is) to perform at a higher capacity. All of the changes are hot-rod tricks that even the most basic hod-rod gurus have been using since the beginning of time. The same procedures used to get a Ford flathead or the mighty small block Chevy to perform work on the Ferrari engines too.

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    The car had restrictors at the air intake (that are removable) for particular sanctioning bodies. But even with them in place the power was ample. The "derestriction" you speak of has to do with these intake bits.

    Here I am getting with the program in that same NGT:

     
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    what does the car weigh? will all fluids , no driver


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    what does the car weigh? will all fluids , no driver


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  9. KC360 FL

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    I assume all the mods would result in a non-streetable version of a 360... some maybe...
     
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    Mass air metersremoved
     
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    Goes to show you how modified running maf less tune a catch can everything is deleted.pretty cool.

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  13. Michael B

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    You must remember that this was a very special constructed full racecar. Composite panels etc. 2350 dry.
     
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    This is special.

    makes cs look tame, I feel like the cs needs more performance vs just wgt redux.

    amazing the potential left on the table w. This platform.
     
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    I dunno... One4torque when the Challenge Stradale was 1st introduced Ferrari touted these bullet points:

    Updated Front bumper
    Updated rear bumper
    Rear diffuser
    Sharper Side skirts
    Underbody tray (50% lighter than Modena)
    Lexan back window with Carbon Fiber grills and braces
    Lexan side windows optional outside US
    Thinner and lighter windshield
    Titanium lugnuts
    Titanium springs
    Carbon Fiber door panels, sills, center console
    Carbon Fiber seat shells
    Carbon Fiber intake filter boxes
    Carbon Fiber mirrors
    Carbon Fiber panels (water shields) in engine compartment
    Indented gas door with polished cavallino
    CCM brakes
    19″ Challenge style wheels
    Pirelli Corsa tires
    Low back pressure exhaust
    Titanium exhaust tips
    Launch Control
    Mass air flow sensor upgrade
    Valve spring positioning change
    Claimed special engine component selection, machining and polishing
    New engine and F1 transmission mapping firmware

    The Media then took note of these items directly thereafter:

    Rear engine lid (had revised more protruding ‘nulder’ for downforce)
    Uprated clutch (to handle Launch Control)
    Uprated drive-shafts (to handle Launch Control)
    Engine bay to passenger compartment glass – thinner, lighter.
    Due to fitment of CF engine panels and CS sports exhaust, they also implemented a pair of fitted heat shields.
    Free flowing air box resonator (less airflow restriction)
    The MAF (Mass Airflow Sensors) a pair of bigger ones where used to stop air restrictions at the very top end of the revs (for squeezing the last few bhp out).
    Dashboard instrumentation fascia clocks revised, rev counter in bright yellow
    Dashboard instrumentation fascia cover in carbon
    Dashboard heater controls fascia cover in carbon (smaller, deleing stereo space)
    Dashboard lower (revised, deleting glovebox and stereo box, less weight)
    New s/w for dash clocks (including CCM brakes wear algorithm and race mode graphics among other updates)
    New s/w for suspension tcu
    New s/w for abs controller (in addition to the already noted ignition ecu’s (pair) and transmission ecu).
    New s/w settings for throttle maps (much more sensitive)
    New s/w settings for valve opening (opens later than on a Modena)

    On the blueprinting of the engine, all 360’s engines were blueprinted but to within 2% tolerances when bench tested. On the Stradale that tolerance was down to just 0.5% so the selection of pistons, connecting rods, etc. was obviously more precise hence CS’s should be virtually identical in power between one and another (from factory when new).

    It was/is a lot more than just weight reduction. The performance is there on many levels. Not just acceleration., but braking & cornering. This is a well rounded car.
     
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    What do you estimate the cost on parts alone would be to upgrade a 360 engine into a N-GT?

    I’m strongly considering doing this build to my car. I never plan on selling it. I unfortunately get way too attached to my toy cars. Lol.

     
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    #16 one4torque, Jun 26, 2020
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    Mike b- do not argue the extra bits on the cs

    but why leave so much hp tq on the table?

    wonder how many hrs this tuned spec will run between refresh
     
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    $35-45K+. Maybe more. You can have the pistons made, and get a connecting rod to match (that could put up with the power). You can do the cylinder head work and flow bench requirements. Port match the whole assembly. Upgraded the intake. Custom make the headers. Then get crazy with the cams. And you will need a perfectionist to assemble it all & get it dialed in. Then once you are done be ready for a crabby, nearly unstreetable (no to low vacuum) mother of a engine not nearly suited for anything but 115 octane fuel.

    This is why most people just put turbos on a factory engine build and get the power level of the NGT without the poor street manors.


    Why? The answer is above. Ferrari made it so you could put an Armani suit on and go to your favorite dinner spot without using a tool kit. NGT spec is not made for street use. Period. I have ridiculous cars that have engine specs like the NGT. I don't drive them like I do my Stradale. But I work on them more than my Stradale.
     
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    Fantastic input. Very much appreciated.

    I considered a twin turbo setup, but I don’t want to sacrifice the sound. The sound is what makes the car extremely unique.

    I’ll probably focus on all the bolt on mods I can get away with. Intake, headers, straight pipe, ECU Stradale tune.....am I missing anything else?


     
  22. 02360spider

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    Just buy these parts

    https://www.toda-racing.co.jp/en/product/piston/f131b-strokerkit.html

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    I've read of people decking the heads for some extra compression.

    I'd be keen for some hotter cams, inc compression.

    450-475 HP would be lovely.

    When I get the resources i envision:
    beat modena f1 donor
    massive wgt redux (sell off the fancy bits to breakers)
    gated swap...
    engine mods..
    safety gear: racing seats, cage.

    nothing posh, function over posh.
     
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  24. 02360spider

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    Why not just buy a challenge car ?

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    can't drive on the street.....

     
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  26. 02360spider

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    I'm sure alot of states you can title them.

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  27. 02360spider

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    I would definitely trade my 360 for a challenge car as long as I get to keep my center lock wheels and my groupp m air box lol.

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    I wouldn't want to drive a 360 /430 challenge on the street even if it is legal.

    U-turn can be a hassle, the clunk when shifting is unnerving, the exhaust is unpleasantly loud, the seat is too unforgiving, getting out and getting in the car is a PITA, u name it.




     
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