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360M sport mode

Discussion in '360/430' started by pwongd, Nov 24, 2003.

  1. pwongd

    pwongd Karting

    Nov 5, 2003
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    I just put my 360M through a trackday yesterday. I drove the first few laps with regular setting and was very disappointed with the result. Then I tried sport mode which is supposed to give a different fuel mix (if I didn't understand it wrong), faster gear change through the F1, and stiffer suspension setting. The car transformed into another car completely different. The handling around the corner was big time different than from when I used the regular setting. F1 transmission with sport mode worked like a charm. The stiffer suspension allowed to car to be thrown into each corner with more confident. All in all, from now on I will drive it with sport mode.
     
  2. whimike

    whimike Karting

    Jul 26, 2003
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    I don't think I have ever driven my 360 with the sport mode turned off since I bought the car. I see no reason to drive a sports car in non-sports mode!! :D
     
  3. t88power

    t88power Formula 3

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    Same here. Sport mode is always on.

    Ernesto
     
  4. Hubert888

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    hmm....I actually forgot we have sport mode in the 360 modena. i will turn it on next time i drive!
     
  5. teak360

    teak360 F1 Veteran
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    In the standard shift car, what all is changed in Sport Mode? Are the engine electronics actully modified as well as the suspension setting?
     
  6. Izza

    Izza Formula 3

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    Unless rain is tipping down (not uncommon here in UK) the sport mode on my 360 is always on.
     
  7. mw575

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    Are you sure the sport mode has something to do with the "fuel mix"????
     
  8. dan360

    dan360 F1 Rookie

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    In the 6-speed stick, sport firms up the dampers and increases the tolerance of the ASR, its possible to light up the tires and slide a bit in Sport, but not in normal mode. In ASR-Off mode, its possible to melt the tires :)
     
  9. ntingle

    ntingle Karting

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    Doesn't Sport Mode also enable the rev. matching (throttle blipping) on F1 downshifts?
     
  10. johnw

    johnw Formula Junior

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    sport mode has nothing to do with the fuel mix
     
  11. 355fiorano

    355fiorano Formula Junior

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    Firms up the suspension, quickens the shift (F1) and reduces ASR by 70% is what I have heard from the main dealers.
     
  12. mw575

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    Thought so-thanks John W.
     
  13. 720

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    i've put a total of 20,000 miles on three 360F1 modenas all in sport mode. i tried "normal" mode for a few minutes once or twice, but it was not nearly as "snappy" as sport mode. i've also NEVER turned on the radio :)
     
  14. Willis360

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    I only use normal mode when the pavement's really rough.
     
  15. Juice It

    Juice It F1 Rookie
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    All the sport mode does on my 355 is light up on the dash. I don't feel any difference.
     
  16. ddd910

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    360's suspensions are electronically controlled?? just like mercedes's airmatic suspension?
     
  17. pwongd

    pwongd Karting

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    My mistake on fuel mix. I thought I read it somewhere before. Apparently that was a fault statement, or I have a faulty brain. Anyway, from now on I'll drive it with sport mode only. Thanks for your input guys.
     
  18. whimike

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    Actually, I did turn off the sport mode once in my car. It was when I let a friend drive the car. I figured I wanted the ASR in full effect for them. The moment they break something loose I want it caught quickly.

    -- Michael
     
  19. ddd910

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    360's suspensions are electronically controlled?? just like mercedes's airmatic suspension?
     
  20. phil30

    phil30 Formula Junior

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    Downswifting in F1 Sports mode is a phenomenal experience, hear the F1 blip for you, it is fantastic! In sports mode, it works on a double clutch as well.
     
  21. rjklein

    rjklein Karting

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    Ok, the $64,000 question. Is sport mode harder on the clutch, what say you.

    Rob
     
  22. thomas_b

    thomas_b Formula Junior

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    I have been told that the use of the sport mode maybe one reason of clutch wear problems with F1’s

    I have not been able to verify this – the gearbox performs the shift in three phases – “drive reduction”, “no drive”, and “torque return”

    - “Drive reduction” – torque is reduced according to a time profile – the quicker the more performance is requested - the only phase that is influenced (i.e. shortened) by the sport mode

    - “No drive” – engine has to reach a specific rpm speed (lower/higher)

    - “Torque return” – torque returns according to a specific profile depending on the requested performance

    One would assume that if the clutch is opened quicker that is would be “worked” less hard – on the other side opening it fast gives the engine less time to reduce torque

    As Rob I would be interested in a good theory
     
  23. Brian C. Stradale

    Brian C. Stradale F1 Rookie
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    I think the trade-off is between fastest and smoothest.

    Now, think of your six-speed... what do you do if you are trying to be silky smooth... you take up the mis-syncing the RPMs with a lot of clutch slippage. The F1 would do the same. HOWEVER, unlike the human operator, the F1 can sync the engine with the wheels much more perfectly. Thus, there shouldn't be much difference between the two in wear... but, if I were to bet, I'd bet sport mode would have less wear, not more.

    You said you wanted a *theory*.


    Brian
     
  24. thomas_b

    thomas_b Formula Junior

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    I buy what you describe – still I would argue that if there is less time to sync engine/wheels because of a faster shift that the rotational energy (delta) has to go somewhere
     
  25. Brian C. Stradale

    Brian C. Stradale F1 Rookie
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    Let's think about it in those terms... the F1 software misses the sync by some amount... the energy in that delta in the rotational speed has to go somewhere... but where?

    1) With a clutch released slowly to be smooth, that energy is absorbed as friction/heat in the clutch.

    2) With a clutch released quickly to be fast, that energy is absorbed jerking the car forward and engine back, or vice-versa.

    So, the former puts more wear on the clutch; but the latter would put stronger forces on the clutch, if the clutch was in danger of breaking. But if the clutch doesn't break, those forces are transferred to the engine and to the car and occupants... they end up absorbing the energy.

    Sticking to the theory... ;)
     

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