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  1. Terra

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    He's E.L. Cord's grandson. Chris' stepfather was William Doheny (former CEO of Superior Oil).
     
  2. tongascrew

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    I have never heard this explanation before It's not like any other. Where did you get this from? tongascrew
     
  3. PSk

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    After doing some research today I believe I have my stories confused.

    Pete
     
  4. bitzman

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    SEEKING COMMENTS ON MY MISC COMMENTS INSERTED WITHIN PARTIAL OWNER LISTING

    61/may/01 - William Fisk Harrah, Reno, NV, USA
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    Did Harrah buy it for Hudson to race? I wasn't aware he sponosred racing? Or was Reno Consolation the name of Hudson's racing team? I wonder if it's a mis-spelling, meant to be "consolidation" (a phrase used in trucking where you consolidate freight).

    Also Skip Hudson was a racing driver for Shelby American so he was a in-period racer, not a vintage tracer

    When Steve Earle joined with Pinky's widow to sell the car, does anyone know what they wanted to sell the car for? I guess Steve was getting the Monterey Historics off the ground then, so couldn't keep his own funds tied up in it for long or maybe he didn't own part of the car-- just helping her get the best price
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    61/sep/24 dnf Reno Consolation Skip Hudson #10
    61/oct/15 dnq Riverside USAC Skip Hudson #90
    65/nov/26 - Charles H. 'Pinky' & Millie Pinkham, Redwood City, CA, USA PH44 p9, 4
    66/aug/12 Pebble Beach Concours C.H. Pinkham
    67 Hillsborough Concours d'Elegance C.H. Pinkham
    72/aug Pebble Beach Concours C.H. Pinkham
    73/aug Pebble Beach Concours C.H. Pinkham
    74/may - Millie Pinkham & Steve Earle, CA, USA

    HERE IS THE VINTAGE RACING PERIOD

    74/aug 1st Monterey Historic Races Steve Earle #4
    76/jul/21 - Chris Cord, Beverly Hills, CA, USA
    76/nov - Robert Donner, Colorado Springs, CO, USA

    IS HE OF THE DONNER PASS FAMILY? (legendary story in American pioneer history)

    78/jul - Carle Conway III., Southport, CT, USA

    WASN'T HE A FAMOUS PHOTOGRAPHER? I THOUGHT I SAW HIS PHOTO CREDIT LINE IN R & T. I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS A RACER TOO...

    79 2nd FCA class 15 Carle Conway
    81/oct - Joseph Williams III., Wallington, CT, USA
     
  5. superleggera

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    I was involved long ago (1991/1992) with this iteration of the 412MI (called at the time) for David Livingston via Pete Lovely Racing.

    Original historical pictures (scanned from negatives) via the presentation book for the judges at Pebble Beach:

    http://marksavory.com/412MI/PLR_135.jpg
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/PLR_133.jpg
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/PLR_134.jpg
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/PLR_132.jpg
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/PLR_131.jpg
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/PLR_130.jpg
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/PLR_129.jpg

    At Pete Lovely Racing: (one day I will post the pictures of the restoration itself)
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/PLR_93.jpg

    In Pacific Grove pre-Pebble Beach:
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/412MI_9.jpg
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/412MI_16.jpg

    At Pebble:
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/412MI_1.jpg
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/412MI_3.jpg (with David's 312 ex-Chris Amon F1 we did at the time)
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/412MI_5.jpg
    http://marksavory.com/412MI/412MI_101.jpg
     
  6. DWR46

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    Bitzman: "Reno Consolation" means it was in a Race at Reno, Nv. The "consolation" race was for cars that did not qualify for the "main" event.

    Harrah owned and sponsored the car is some races with Skip Hudson driving.

    Bob Donner was of the "Donner Pass" family.

    Carle Conway was a businessman from the upstate New York area, and later lived in Colorado.
     
  7. Ed Niles

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    Are a couple of those pix with Phil driving from Riverside? I was a turn marshal at the Riverside event when Phil in this car had a race-long battle with a Scarab, changing leads almost every lap. After all these years, it was still the most exciting race I had witnessed. The Scarab won, but not for lack of trying on Phil's part. The 412 ended up with a gouge from a guard rail along one side. I didn't know whether to root for the Ferrari or the beautiful home-made Scarab.
     
  8. Ed Niles

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    Yes, and Carle Conway knew his Ferraris. He once owned 5575, the very last 250GTO.
     
  9. BigTex

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    Those are great pictures!
    Thanks!

    Good evening Mr. Niles!
     
  10. El Wayne

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  11. superleggera

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    Ed -- I think you are remembering the 1959 Riverside event(?) -- Phil was driving 0768TR and kissed the entire side and breaking off the outer caps of the knockoffs in fact.
     

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