430 vs 599

Sean - try a new tactic - don't negotiate.

When you found a car that you really want, make a firm cash offer, tell the dealer that they have 2 hours to accept your offer or not. Make sure that they understand that your first offer is your final offer, no need for them to come back with a different price, just a simple yes or no to your offer. You either buy the car at your desired (fair market) price or move on. No games.

It cuts through the drama, BS, and other stuff. You either get the car you want at your price or you don't. It works for me.

 

I agree with Clembo, give them a number and stick to it. Whether you give them a deadline or not might depend some on how old the listing, how unique the car, etc. I often give a firm offer but let it stand.

 

That's the only way to get a deal done without being taken advantage of.

When my dad was negotiating for his car, the local dealer was monkeying around playing all sorts of games. While he was still on the phone at the same time I called another dealer further away with the same car in stock. Asked for their oldest salesperson and made it simple: You have X car on the lot, I will pay you X for it. If you say yes, I will be on my way in 10 minutes. By the time hung up his call, all frustrated, his deal was done on my end.

 

Whatever you do, make sure you leave a good $10k cushion for "stuff happens" factor. It seems to me you will have to wait a little bit longer. What are nice 575s and 550s going for these days?

 

Especially if it hasn't been driven in a while.

I purchased a 612 not long after it's major service and it did well on it's PPI; yet, still had the following within a year:
-All 4 TPMS sensors replaced
-6 of 10 ball joints replaced in suspension
-Battery replaced
-Key Fob replaced

 

Boy that all sounds familiar.

 

fx trader reminds me of that 'Reaper' guy from years past that posted so much crap about him in the markets. A few of his threads and you'd swear he owned the entire financial marketplace. Turned out to be 200% bogus...surprise, surprise.

Btw, -if-, and I mean IF, fx was 'one of the biggest derivatives' dudes around, he'd be making a hell of a lot more $$$ a week than what a used 599 costs.

And, even if he's a car nut, he'd likely be buying lots of stuff vs. riding around in high mileage MB cars. Obvious answer is to by a couple of new Fcars, a Lambo or two, maybe another MB, etc.

At his lofty income levels(ha), he wasted more time spewing in this thread than it woulda taken to hit a hot trade or two and buy some nifty cars.

 

Clutch will probably last 400% longer for you F1 in 599 vs 575. Big consideration.

 

Meh, belts aren't so bad. And I had essentially the 575 motor in my 612 and it was PLENTY fast. I don't disagree obviously, given the choice I'd go 599 as well. Just sayin'

 

I told the salesman to slow down a little with an email and he disappeared. Car still available though. Price seems unusually high relative to the miles based on the for sale population across the U.S. Oh well, it'll work out if it's meant to be

http://www.lamborghinidallas.com/used/Ferrari/2007-Ferrari-599+GTB+Fiorano-Dallas-60d137220a0a0065541b5d01bc65090d.htm

 

I purchased my 2008 599 last year with just under 11,000 miles on her. I paid $157,000 for the car. The dealer I purchased the car from spent $4,500 bringing the car up to current service. A couple of months ago my local Ferrari dealer called me and had a customer that wanted a 599. He offered me $135,000 for the car saying that he wanted to flip it for $145,000.

The bottom line is, it appears that I have lost around $20,000 to depreciation since I purchased the car. I have to agree with the previous poster, the fun I have had owning the car far outweighs the money I have lost to depreciation. If you purchase a 599 you will not be disappointed.

 

Thanks Sean. I think you have your head on straight. I waited until I found the right color combination. I love my 599. I think when you find the right one for you, you will pull the trigger and then be in store for years of enjoyment.

My next door neighbor is a retired GM executive. I let him take me for a ride in my 599. As he drove it he just smiled and chuckled under his breath. He has owned many show quality muscle cars and custom cars over the years. He said he had never driven anything like the 599.

 

Those muscle cars really don't compare.

 

Last year I had a 612, the only 612, in blue, at the FCA national concourse. There were probably a hundred red/tan mid engines. Birds of a feather, right? I don't think any of them were feeling unique that day. Been through four fcars and have yet to choose red.

 

Well, the other one sold and I've found this one which is owned by the dealer's owner. It's just come back from Ferrari of DFW for servicing. Don't care for the wheels at all but that's an individual preference. Considering the other one had an "asking price" of $144,000, this one seems very high priced. The salesman keeps saying it's been sitting on the showroom floor and the owner's only put a few hundred miles on it since he bought it. I would think that hurts this sale since it isn't used much and people climbing all over it all the time. His trade in price on my F430 isn't what I expected either. Maybe we can meet in some middle ground. What do you think?

Used 2007 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano For Sale | Grapevine TX

 

Went to look at it yesterday. Impressive car. Now just need to line up the ducks in a row. Banking, insurance, etc. I was kind of shocked to see insurance much higher than the 430. I guess that's based on "hull value", not driving style. Have to start shopping for wheels too, if I buy this car. I just can't live with the originals. No way!
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