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Discussion in '456/550/575' started by ccr2002, Jan 17, 2004.

  1. ccr2002

    ccr2002 Karting

    Oct 31, 2003
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    Now that the 456 production run is over...does anyone know how many were produced? How many came to US? I know they have seriously depreciated but how do you think it will be regarded 10-20 yrs from now? Was it more expensive than a 550 just because there were few made, hence production costs higher? I have a 550 now but have always loved the lines of the 456 ( i love the 550 from every angle except the front/nose is not my favorite) and i have little kids that could ride in the back seats. Anyone with pics of their 456 that they want to share.
     
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  3. Cavallino Motors

    Cavallino Motors F1 World Champ
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    I think the 456 has pretty much hit the ceiling. At $70K these cars are a bargain if you ask me. They may come slowly donw to $60K but that is it.

    Historically the 4 seaters have not done well. They are under apprechiated cars. 365GT4, 330GTC, 400/412, Mondials, all great cars and great usable cars but underapprechiated thus falling in prices.

    I think once the 612 comes out and people get over the initial hype you will see these cars fall like an iron out of a plane. I believe they will deprechiate faster than any Ferrari we have seen before. This may in the long run help the 456 to stabalize or even come back up just a tad.

    BTW I will have a 456 for sale very shortly. Great price as well.
     
  4. abarre

    abarre Formula Junior

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    Please, tell me more....
     
  5. sunburn

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  6. ccr2002

    ccr2002 Karting

    Oct 31, 2003
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    Salt Lake City, UT
    Thanks for the responses but i'm really interested in how many were made...i think this has a lot to do with value one day. I'd really like to get a 95-97 but was not very impressed with the fit and finish or the ride in the ones i've driven. The newer ones were much better. I may even buy one of the new ones still sitting around at dealers. I figure the more times they hand make a car the better they get at it...Anyone out there buy a 2002 or 2003...how do you like it?

    thanks
     
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  8. ccr2002

    ccr2002 Karting

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    That is a beautiful color...what is it?
     
  9. sunburn

    sunburn Formula Junior

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    It's called Canna DiFucile.
     
  10. shelbee

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    Beautiful car and color. Is it Canna De Fucille color??

    Hard to find one with the SHIELDS
     
  11. shelbee

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    Sorry did not see your posting
     
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  13. donv

    donv F1 World Champ
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    #10 donv, Jan 17, 2004
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    I agree with Cavallino-- I can't imagine a 456 ever being less than a 412, so that puts a floor beneath prices. I think they may eventually drop to the mid-50s, but no more than that.

    In the long run, I think the 456 has a big advantage over the previous 2+2 cars: it looks beautiful.
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  14. shelbee

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    I would like to own one as daily driver. Waiting 612 to come out and price drop on 456. I assume $100k for 2002 model soon
     
  15. judge4re

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    Hate to say this, but 412's are still depreciating. My guess is that the 456 will bottom out at a value of $40k in 2004 dollars.

    $35k is all the money in the world for a clean 412.

    Numbers made won't make much difference. Here's a run down of V12 2+2 production over the years (I don't have numbers for the M's yet):

    250 GTE 954
    330 America 50
    330 GT 2+2 1099
    365 GT 2+2 800
    365 GT4 2+2 521
    400 GT/GTA 502
    400i/400iA 1308
    412 576
    456 GT 2+2 1548
    456 GT Auto 403

    A 400i (good) sold in the UK for 6300 pounds at the end of November. That's the price of an engine rebuild.

    The market has spoken. It doesn't like V12 2+2 Ferraris. Bad for original owners, great for enthusiasts on a budget. Besides, even the 400 GT sounds better than a new car.
     
  16. judge4re

    judge4re F1 World Champ

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    I forgot to add. Numbers made really don't mean much. A Mondial 8 is almost twice as rare as an F40. (703 vs. 1311).
     
  17. kinnie

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    Sorry guy's This is not a daily view from an 456 But it is one . I'm parting out this one.
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  18. Ashman

    Ashman Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The Forza 456 buyer's guide said that 688 456M GTs and 650 456M GTAs, for a combined M total of 1,338, were built from 1998 to 2003. Don't know if that is all of them or not, since neither Forza nor Cavallino has the final serial number listed.

    So the total of all 456 production is 3,289 or more, a pretty hefty number by Ferrari standards.

    As good as the 456 is technically, I predict that it's depreciation curve will bottom out at under $30K because of the high number produced and the high service costs for the car.


    John
     
  19. Ashman

    Ashman Two Time F1 World Champ
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    How do you know how low the 412 will go? Right now 400iA's can be had in the $20K or less range. The 412s are sliding through the 30's and will continue to fall as they age. After all, the youngest 412 is 14 years old.

    It won't happen overnight, but 456 prices will continue down. There are far more 456s than there ever were of the 412. There is no magic floor at $60K or $50K.
     
  20. surfowl

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    Of the 3,289 what percentage were 6-speed?
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  21. Kieran

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    Of the 1271 456M's made, 640 were manual.

    Thats all I know...
     
  22. Davidindallas

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    I don't think I agree with much of this. The prices on 400s and earlier cars are rising. The C4, more attractive to be sure, is a front engine two plus two and it's up over $100 right now. The 456 compares better to it than a 400 or 412. In ten years the guy shopping for a 456 is looking for a classic car and will be comparing a 456 to a 330, 365 and D4 (and maybe 365GT4, 400, etc..). Given that the 456 is much faster and better looking than essentially any of the alternatives, why would you think it would sell at one third of the price a c4? Production numbers? There were a healthy number of Dinos out there and they're not that fast, so why are they selling for so much? They look good, they're fun and they appeal to a segment that's not shopping for a new car.
     
  23. donv

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    Keep in mind that most of the comments in this thread are 3 years old.

    That said, typically 10-20 year old Ferraris tend to fall into a category where they are not "new" enough for the new car guys and they are also not "old" enough for the vintage or old car guys. The 456 is just getting to this point now.

    This tends to be where Ferraris hit the bottom of their price curve.

     
  24. Davidindallas

    Davidindallas Formula Junior

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    I agree with you and thanks for pointing out the age of these posts. I hadn't noticed how out of date they'd gotten.
     
  25. AndyE

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  27. 456 koirra

    456 koirra Karting

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    Here in Germany 456 GT's seem to be priced lower than ever.

    in www.mobile.de for long cheapest has been around 45t€ and now there is one 38 t€. This one was the cheapest for a long time at 45t€ until a couple of cheaper ones came a long so the price was dropped.
    OK, the cheapest ones have looked somewhat suffered and also on the ad of the cheapest car there now there stood earlier that it had extremely loud exhaust und other not so admirable things but in any case.

    I am already amazed and somehow cannot see them dropping much further, or what do you people think now?
    I guess that the general concesus of the looks of 456 vs. 612 is just quite something which should keep up the value of the 456 or??
     
  28. open roads

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    I think that the beauty will be timeless. Thats saying alot.

    We are talking about a wide range of prices currently. I have seen 95s wholesale for $50k. Try to find a 03 for that.

    I believe my 01 will bottom out at around 70-80. I wouldn't be suprised to see them going up in 30 years. That is after they've gone through the "just a car that isn't so new" phase. Just look at the unloved for so long,and not nearly so pretty 365GTC4 to see this illustrated.
     

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