458 458 Brake pads

Good question. I was thinking that if the Brembo rotors can be sourced "relatively cheaply" from other models (Corvette, Camaro, etc) for $5700, add in cost for custom hats, new assembly screw and spring hardware, I think it would come out a bit lower than the $12k cost for the Surface Transforms package. Ideally, with more cars like the C6 and C7 vettes, Camaros, etc running CCMs, the price for CCM rotors as a whole should theoretically go down. Yet, today a 458 front rotor is $3900/ea, but a Z06 front rotor is $1250/ea. Both made by Brembo, same material, same manufacturing process, only 4mm diameter difference. Luxury tax I suppose.

I do think the Surface Transforms makes sense compared to buying replacement OEM rotors. At $3900/ea for OEM rotor, a complete replacement set would run $16k, so the $12k Surface Transforms CCST is the winner here. But I am curious if a replacement set using Brembo rotors from other (cheaper) applications can be done.

 

Something else you need to factor in. Even if you find a cheaper CCM replacement, what is the long term cost? Let's say you get it down to 7000 all things included. Then what when they are done? Then you are out another 7 grand. At this point you are still running on the CCST discs. Add to that with the 7k CCM rotors, you are still using the old tech stuff. The CCST rotors are about more than just price and longevity. They actually work better, gives better modulation and runs cooler. The Pista lost over 100 degrees of temp compared to CCM. That means less pad wear. I got about 5 three hour track evenings from OE pads running the CCST disc compared to 3. That is mainly due to the fact that temps dropped from 480 degrees C to the 36X C.
There is a reason why just about every competitor out there uses CCST or similar tech. Porsche, McLaren, BMW, Mercedes, Ford Racing, Tesla, Koenigsegg, Singer, BAC. When it comes to brakes, Ferrari is hopelessly behind everybody else except for Lambo and GM. But everybody else has realized what's going on and moved on.

I just don't get it. Is Ferrari too cheap? Is it because Brembo is Italian? Is it because most Ferrari owners don't care or actually use their cars? Why does this great company with such great racing pedigree don't give a damn? Crappy paint, poor audio, bad batteries, the odd quality quirks ect. I get it, Italian exotics. But why not up the ante on a performance parameter worth bragging about? I just don't get it.

Sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant. Carry on

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Just go to eurospares I sourced new , Brembo identical brakes for my FF for 3k per rotors and 1800 for the pads. Total 14k, dealer wanted 6k per rotor.


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Was that 14k what? Seeing that Eurospares normally price their stuff in £ without VAT.

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USD- they charge us customers in USD. I don’t Rmbr import duty but I spent half what dealer quoted me. I love eurospares


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Just trying to get a clear picture. Do you by that mean if was 14k including import duty?

At any rate, it is worth noting that FF discs cannot be used, as disc offset is different

Anyway, just went on Eurospares and priced out a set of 458 discs. Including shipping and import around 12800 usd. On top of that comes at least 1800 usd for pads. So 14600 for OE 458 discs and pads.

CCST + RSC1 pads is 13000. I know what I would choose.

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@Il Co-Pilota Your input in this thread has been incredibly educational. I would like read more about your opinions on the RSC2 vs RSL1 pads. I would like to try one of these, as I've only used stock and RSC1s before. I was under the impression that the RSC2 are no longer made for the Speciale? Do you think the Surface transforms Challenge rotors can be used on the Speciale?

 

The RSL1 pads are great for track, but aggressive - very aggressive. They are grabby and noisy, that's just how it is. The RSC2 is a much more comfortable pad, and it's a shame it is no longer in production..

Challenge rotors will not fit. If you want rotors for a Speciale, you need the 488 or Pista set depending on front rotor thickness. The Pista comes with 38 mm thick front rotors and the 488 are 36 mm. They are however interchangable and either will fit. But grab a caliper and take a quick measurement of your front disc thickness, that will tell you which you need. The rears are the exact same between the Speciale, F8 and all 488 variants.

If you combine the RSC1 with ST rotors you do extend the pad life as the ST rotors run cooler.

The combination of RSL1 and ST rotors are the single strongest ceramic brake combo I have tried, but it is pretty hardcore for street use. Do it if you can live with the noise and track regularly, but don't if you do mostly street driving.

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128,000 miles on your 458! Wow. And this was last October a year ago. What are you up to now for mileage?

 

I ordered 458 pads from AW Italian. They seem to be the same size as the factory pads, but the box is a plain brown box with "70001668" on the outside with a plain sticker. The back of the pads also have different numbers stamped on them. Anyone know if these pads are the same as OEM? The Textar 4300 indicates the pad material is the same.

The pads also come with a steel backing plate, which doesn't exist on the factory pads. I saw normal guy supercar use the metal backing shims. Is it recommended to use them?

Thanks for the help!
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