2002 575m F1 Serial # 129068, assembly # 46120 engine # 68664 Argento Nurburgring w/ Nero brake caliper aluminum color daytona seats dedication plate scuderia shields sat nav appliance rear shelf leather stiching in color
Andrew- Thanks. Sounds like a really nice one. Silver and black are a nice combination. Had a 63 Corvette FI roadster in those colors a long time ago. Please post some images when you get some. Taz Terry Phillips Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Doug, that's awesome, congratulations! Thanks for the information. I think I speak for everyone when I say, I can't wait to see pictures! Was this car repainted?
Hi everyone, if you want to add my 575 F1 to the list Vin 138201 and assembly 55592 My car is Daytona Black with black interior, Race Carbon Seats, Red 4 points belts, carbon interior, FHP and jellow callipers. Located in Switzerland. Regards, Renato
Renato- Sounds very nice and a great set of options. The racing seats are very rare. Please post some photos. Taz Terry Phillips Image Unavailable, Please Login
Well, I don't have many pictures of my car, just some with my son (no nice blonde girls, sorry). But I promise to shoot some new pictures as the weather here becomes better, I drive the car only on nice sunny days.... Regards from Switzerland Renato Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Renato- Very pretty. Yellow calipers really stand out. Henry, obviously, wants your seats. Taz Terry Phillips
Terry, thank you for your comment, you think Henry would really like my child seat?? I like the yellow calipers even if I'm dreaming since a long time about the GTC brakes... The funny thing is that I asked different F dealers about the package and got all different prices and components.... One wanted to give me the package with the instument panel..? Consider that all of them asked for the VIN before giving a quote. Really confusing! Than I have a question for you: I saw in another post the discussion about the difference between the 575 and SA engine. You wrote that there are differences in the intake and in the ECU software. Well, I'm working with software and particularly with engine Sw for my job and one of my best friend bought in 2006 a SA HGTC. I had the chance to drive it many times and once I got the opportunity to read out the SW and compared it to mine.... NO DIFFERENCE in the power relevant calibrations, same ignition timing and fuel setup. So i really wonder what the technical difference should be... Wish you all a merry christmas
Renato- Let me get back from Christmas and see if we can puzzle this out. There were at least four Motronic ECUs fitted during 575M production and I do not have a parts catalog for the SA, so there could have been more. I doubt there were, however. No access to my files from my Blackberry. Will start comparing ECUs with the 612 when I get back and look more closely at 575 ECUs. The manifolding differences were on the 612, not the SA, except for the red paint. Taz Terry Phillips
Thank you very much, Terry. So you say that there are no mechanical differences between the 575M and the SA, just "theoretically" the software in the ECM... I'm sure the ECM's have no difference that could produce 25 HP, in my opininon there is no performance difference that could come out of the ECM. In reality we had our cars on the dyno and the power output was identical: this matches with your statement that the hardware is the same and mine, that the SW is nearly identical. Another friend dynoed his 612 and there was a pretty big difference to our 575/SA cars... Thanks again Renato
Renato, I don't want to detract from your questions. But I have a question for Terry, and this seems like the perfect thread. Terry, I've heard about the last few 575Ms being fitted with Supamerica engines. Is this true? If I'm reading the latest posts in this thread correctly, there is no power difference between the 575M engine and the SA engine, so what would be the point to putting a Supermerica engine into a 575M? But on the same token, the motor type on the 575M is F133 E and the motor type on the SA is F133 G. So there must be some difference, right?
Well Carbon, it was somehow the same question as mine... I have read in an earlier post that the 575 and the SA have 2 different engine codes, so something will be different: in Europe the 575 have been sold with 515 HP and the SA with 540 HP (same as the 612). Renato
Renato, Carbon-The European HGTC models were rated at 540 hp, as were the SAs and 612s. Someone had told Cariad there were a few late model 575Ms fitted with 612 engines, which have completely different intake and exhaust manifolding, but the same block, pistons, heads, cams, valves, etc. So far we have seen no examples of that, however. I think the 575M and Superamerica engines were identical except for more red paint on the SA covers. Numerous Motronic changes could have left late model 575MS with HGTC/SA horsepower, with the HGTC exhaust not adding much to the total. Your results would seem to indicate no difference between Euro late model FHP 575Ms and HGTCs, SAs or not. It is also possible FHPs built after HGTC production began, like yours Renato, might have been fitted with the HGTC Motronic ECUs, which would have cost no more than a standard ECU to Ferrari. That is easy for either you or Gary (Cariad) to check without even having to remove the ECU. Can do more research when I get home. Too hard on a Blackberry. Taz Terry Phillips
Renato- I found the answer to your question, and also fixed a problem with my 575M change document, where I had Euro ECUs listed instead of US ECUs. At Assembly No. 55769, all 575Ms received an update, which included two new Motronic ECUs, 211503 for non-F1 Euros, 211504 for F1 Euros, 211422 for non-F1 US, 211423 for F1 US. These are the HGTC Motronic units. Your car predates the move to all-HGTC Motronic ECUs For Euro Motronic ECUs, a gain of 25 hp is easily believable, since the cars were mildly tuned at introduction In all probability, based on your dyno and computer read-out results, the ECU hp gain was actually made earlier, at Assembly No. 52556, when the Steering Position Sensor was introduced, along with new Motronic ECUs and a Shock Absorber ECU to use the positon sensor information. Your car fits neatly into this Assembly No. range, and makes sense because Ferrari introduced ECU and hardware improvements incrementally as they were developed. No telling if US cars got an hp increase or not. Would require running a stock pre-52556 and post-52556 car on the same dyno. So it now appears Assembly No. 52556 resulted in even more changes than previously thought. I had postulated, incorrectly apparently, that the only reason for the Motronic change was to accomodate the Steering Position Sensor. Not so. Ferrari took advantage of the new Motronic to boost Euro 575M performance. This performance enhancement carried over to the 575 SA. The 612 ECUs appear to be based on a completely new architecture and there is no commonality with the 575M that I could find. Only the basic engine, less the intake and exhaust manifolding, is identical for the 575M/SA/612. Taz Terry Phillips Image Unavailable, Please Login
CNC Motorcars has a nice 2003 575M listed in FerrariAds and I managed to beat the Assembly No. out of Keith for the car. SN 131286, Assembly No. 48411, 9700 miles. Grigio with blue Daytonas and interior with red stitching (looks very nice), modulars, red calipers leather shelf, etc. Looks very nice for less than $100K asking. He has a 2002 as well, for which I will try and beat information out of him, including Engine No. for both cars. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=3180 Taz Terry Phillips Image Unavailable, Please Login
Terry... The 2002 575M for sale through CNC is 129058, a car for which you've already provided us with information: engine number 68672, assembly number 46089. As for 131286: engine number 73072, assembly number 48411, date of production: December 2002; Grigio Alloy with Blu Scuro interior and Blu 168 carpets, Daytona seats, Blu Scuro dashboard, navigation, shields, red calipers, battery charger plus pre-wiring, Blu Scuro leather rear shelf, high power hi-fi with subwoofer, red stitching, Blu Scuro steering wheel, modular wheels wrapped in Pirellis (at least when it was new). Originally a California car, I saw it in June of last year; it had 9,519 miles on it and was for sale on iLux through Ferrari of Long Island.
Keeping everything in one place, here is the FNA bulletin increasing airbag change interval from 10 to 15 years. Taz Terry Phillips Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
575- My PC is TU right now. Will add you to the list as soon as I get her running again. Looks like yours is configured just like my 135171, except for steering wheel location. We both got the center straight pipes, but missed the steering position sensor. Taz Terry Phillips
Terry - I am really happy with the handling on my car . I wonder how much difference the steering ecu makes. The FHP has a much more rigid ride than the local cars without FHP that I have driven. cheers