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  1. 134282

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    Terry, so does that mean that the list of serial numbers that you posted includes both F1s and manuals...?
     
  2. tazandjan

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    Carbon- Affirmative. The change affected both versions. The TCU sentence faked me out. Always read the entire technical bulletin, I have learned, or you will get it wrong. Had not paid much attention to this one since my car, with SN 135171, was much later. Short-sighted on my part.

    Incidentally, my request to turn this into a sticky was denied by Rob.

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    That sucks. Perhaps we should all PM him incessantly until he breaks down. :D
     
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    One addition for the list...

    128686, B, F1, 45769.
     
  5. tazandjan

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    #80 tazandjan, Jun 15, 2009
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    Carbon- The latest update. Did you ever figure out where the error in the SN was on 122976, assembly #46985? We know the SN is wrong from the assembly number.

    Note how far apart the assembly numbers are on 128680 and 128686. Really shows how out of SN sequence the cars were assembled, even for the same model. 126686 was built before 128456, too.

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  6. tazandjan

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    #81 tazandjan, Jun 16, 2009
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    Covered in more detail in a separate thread, but want to keep everything in one place. In early model year 2004, a steering position sensor was added to the 575M to improve response from the Skyhook suspension. This new sensor involved a major change in the 575M and included a new Motronic and shock absorber ECU and new wiring harnesses for the front passenger electronic control station (shock ECU) and the rear passenger compartment electronic control station (F1 ECU), although no apparent change was made to the F1 ECU itself. The later shock ECUs fitted from assembly 52556, including the HGTC shock ECU, will not fit earlier 575M wiring harnesses. Whether the HGTC F1 ECU will fit earlier cars is unknown.

    Here is the technical bulletin describing the steering sensor installation. Because of the wiring harness changes and changes made to steering column covers, this update cannot be retrofitted to earlier 575Ms.

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    No, not yet - still waiting to hear back from a source.
     
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    My motor number is 92119

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  9. Sir Paul

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    Here is an interesting one for you to think about.

    You might have seen that Rod Stewart sold his Red SA F1 at Coy's Auction in march for GBP 95,000. If you look at their website,
    http://www.coys.co.uk/auctions/lot.php?auction=84&id=56002
    you can see that the VIN is ZFFGT610000144840
    What is strange is that we know the 8th digit is A for USA-LHD, C for UK-RHD, D for Australia-RHD etc, but according to all the VIN numbering explanations I have seen, there is no "0" code for the 8th digit.
    Given that Steward owned, drove and sold the car in UK, it should have been a C. If he managed to jump the queue on an Australian model it would have been a D....unless the 0 is a misprint for a D?

    Any thoughts?

    BTW, from the limited photos we can see it is an F1 'box but does not look like HGTC from the size of the front discs.
     
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    Paul- It looks like a typo in the ad.

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    A steal at $155,000 USD if you can deal with that interior
     
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    Don, that's awesome, thank you very much...!
     
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    #88 tazandjan, Jun 23, 2009
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    Here is something I have been working. So far have gone through less than half of the 575M parts catalog tables. Let me know if you think it is worthwhile and I will finish it. If you ever wondered what you have on your car, this will eventually answer the question.

    The little bit at the bottom is how I update the list. There are a lot more changes in the electronic control station tables.

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    Speaking of dealing with the interiors of Rod Stewarts cars, did you hear about the Lambo Miura he had in the 70s and 80s? Check out the link and extract below!!

    http://www.sportscarmarket.com/Profiles/2003/January/Etceterini/

    ""Only 142 SVs were made, nine of which were right-hand-drive. Stewart kept his until 1985. During that time it appears to have played a significant part in his lifestyle-when he sold it, there were marks from stiletto heels in the headliner. If this car could talk it might bring a blush to the cheeks of many a glamorous model and actress.""
     
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    Dear Terry,

    your work is really worthwhile !
    Please go ahead with them.
    I worked many years ago on different 550/575 Maranello's (Euro spec.)and also have some notes and papers ..will check and also let here know what i have .

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    As per my information, the following cars have carbon ceramic brakes and/or a Fiorano Handling Package and/or the (H)GTC package...

    575Ms
    127694 - FHP

    128456 - FHP

    129078 - FHP

    129981 - FHP

    130820 - FHP

    135171 - FHP

    136421 - FHP

    137514 - FHP

    138474 - FHP

    140496 - GTC (FHP?)

    141041 - FHP (steel drilled brakes)

    141817 - HGTC


    Superamericas
    140437 - HGTC (carbon ceramics)

    142549 - carbon ceramics

    142970 - HGTC

    144583 - GTC

    145095 - carbon ceramics

    145108 - HGTC

    145120 - GTC
     
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    Don, thanks for the picture of the window sticker! Why isn't everyone as forthcoming and generous with these details...? :)

    It's not that I doubt whether or not it's a GTC or an HGTC or a(n) (H)GTC with a Fiorano Handling Package - it's just that I'm not clear on the difference, if there is one in the first place. There was a discussion about it recently - but it just confused me more.
     
  19. tazandjan

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    #94 tazandjan, Jun 24, 2009
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    Carbon- Handling GTC (HGTC) is the 2005 575M and Superamerica street package posted earlier that included CCM brakes, a sport exhaust with double walled tailpipe, new shock absorbers, shock ECU, and F1 ECU with shifting sped up from 250 ms to 180 ms. None of these features were available as separate options. HGTC also included the springs and rear anti-roll bar from the earlier Fiorano Handling Package (FHP).

    FHP was a package originated on late 550s and carried over to the 575M and available throughout production. It included the springs and anti-roll bar mentioned above, a new steering ECU, and brakes with Pagid 4-4 Orange racing brake pads. FHP was available concurrently with HGTC. 141041 is a late 2005 575M with FHP, as noted on our list

    The 575 GTC was a purpose-built race car developed from the Nero 550 GTC.

    If you see a 575M or Superamerica with CCM brakes with Ferrari on the brake calipers, that car is almost certainly an HGTC. You can also tell by the double walled tailpipe, a tradition that carried on for HGTC versions of the 612 and now the 599 HGTE.

    This is what build sheets look like on the FHP and HGTC options.

    Need to update our list with your new info. Time to go have beer and watch the sunset right now.

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    Ooooh, MODIS... :)

    Glad you have your priorities in order, Terry - a beer during the sunset is most certainly time well spent.

    Thanks for the explanation - I think I've got it now. So aside from the 575 GTC purpose-built racecar - is there any difference between a 575M Maranello GTC and a 575M Maranello HGTC...? Is the difference just a matter of someone writing 'GTC' or 'HGTC'...?

    At the risk of being overly layman, a 550 or a 575M or a Superamerica with the Fiorano Handling Package does not have carbon ceramic brakes, correct...? And a 575M or a Superamerica with carbon ceramic brakes has at least all of the accoutrement of the Fiorano Handling Package but may or may not have the HGTC package, yes...?


    EDIT: Oh, and Terry, when you update the list, please note that I mistyped a serial number in post 91: I wrote 140496 when I should've written 140946. Sorry for any confusion.
     
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    Okay, I haven't forgotten about this - but sometimes, things just don't happen right away.

    But during my foray into all of my 550 and 575M images to attempt to comprehend the whole FHP/(H)GTC discrepancy, I found something very interesting.

    I found pictures that I, myself, took of 129976 - with assembly number 46984. So the serial number is one digit off (129976 as opposed to 122976) and the assembly number is one digit off (46984 as opposed to 46985). Too dubious for me to accept that I made a one-digit-off mistake with TWO numbers - so I won't be comfortable until I receive verified information.

    But, t e n t a t i v e l y, this could be the explanation. Maybe I read the VIN plate wrong - but I spotted this car several times and had a very clear shot of the serial number at least once. We'll see..
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    Please add an Euro Superamerica ,serial number 143910 with assembly number 61213.

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    another one to add ...575M F1 ,Euro,s/n 134140 with assembly number 51370.

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  25. ivo73

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    here more additons..all F1 Version.
    Superamerica F1 ,s/n 143913 ,RHD, assembly no.61349.

    Superamerica F1 ,s/n 142966 ,RHD ,assembly no. 60348.

    575 M F1 ,s/n 130970 ,LHD ,assembly no.48343.

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