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  1. Frank_C

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    #4426 Frank_C, Feb 21, 2021
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    ”The lady doth protest too much, methinks....”

    Ok. We get it. People that don’t own a GPF car can hear the difference. People that own a GPF car don’t care...

    Machs nicht, GPF is here to stay.

    Regardless, it is the induction note at the upper revs which trumps the exhaust when driving the car, whether or not the exhaust is obtunded (real or imagined) by the GPF.

    ps My son, a musician, has perfect pitch. If someone in Houston has a GPF car, he can tell all y’all the difference between the two and the precise musical note of each.....but like me he doesn’t really care.


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  3. maha

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    some people think 812gts sound is a disaster because it has gpf. and i dont hear so much complain about how monza sp1/sp2 sounds. general belief is it doesn't have
    gpf but the way gts & monza sound so similar, i think monza also has that filter.

     
  4. day355

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    The Euro 7 standard in 2025 will mark the final end.
    With 63 db max, you can't do anything except artificial sound.
     
  5. Newjoint

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    Let’s hope Ferrari decides to not meet that mark for non EU cars by then


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    It won't happen. And while that is the 2025 law for the EU, don't kid yourself thinking that the US won't follow suit at some point. This is just the way things are going - everywhere.
     
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  8. NeilF8888

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    Received the email and message on MyFerrari last week, put down my deposit at my dealer yesterday and was told the VS will be unveiled in April.


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    Maybe @xBox could be convinced to do a 'stand in' gig...
     
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  10. day355

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    Get outside along the straight line of a circuit, and listen to a Pista or F 8 pass in front of you.
    You will not hear anything except a slight hissing sound.
    It's already over!
     
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    I've done my fair share of work on the Modena bar scene...... to be sure, to be sure :D
     
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  13. of2worlds

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    Yes, lots of talk about the engine noise.

    You warned us about the 'space ship' before.

    day355 Which do you prefer for the new VS the look of the front or the look from the back?
     
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    In flash the “ volume “ of Sp is much higher than GTS
     
  15. day355

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    #4437 day355, Feb 21, 2021
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    The rear is much less instinctive for me, unlike that of the TDF which remains a modern interpretation of the 250 GTO.
    I think Manzoni has too much Lamborghini take on Ferrari style.
    Its best design will remain in my eyes the one off P 80 / C.
    He was quite free, without the marketing kids telling him what would make the Chinese, Indians, Japanese happy ... in terms of style, or when you mix it all up, you end up getting a pizza.
    Rest assured the 812 VS is impressive!
     
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    April? Bummed if true.
     
  17. ppg70

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    yes it seems so.....official unveil to press/world.....but at that time all cars will be sold out and deposits done
     
  18. 9nb

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    I thought the LB was suppose to be more ‘classic’ Ferrari in terms of design and less ‘spaceship’/Lamborghini? Is that still the case?

    Also thank you for sharing all your knowledge with us! Definitely makes for a better read when there is someone in the know in the forum.


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  19. of2worlds

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    Thank you day355 for sharing your thoughts on the new VS here!
     
  20. day355

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    F 171 is in my eyes better than that of the SF 90. It is more consistent.
    The problem is that there is no vision, as could have Fioraventi, a true genius!
    Today we ask marketers what pleases each country and we mix it all.
    It is a huge mistake because we have lost the Ferrari style. This unique line that goes from the back to the front; and with a lot of subtle and simple curves.
    "Simplicity" is what they forgot! and yet in art, what is simple is beautiful ... and Ferraris are made to age.
    Today, they are betting everything on caricatural aggressiveness, without subtlety, and it will age very badly.
    In Fioraventi's time, Enzo used to tell him to make a nice "Italian" car, and that if the princes or the actors didn't like it, well too bad, they wouldn't buy it.
    Today, it is marketing which arrives with its stylistic codes specific to each country.
    The stylistic identity gradually disappeared.
    If you add that Manzoni does not have a clear vision of what a Ferrari should be, you will get designs that will disappear over time, with rare exceptions (Pista and TDF).
     
  21. 9nb

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    I sincerely hope that Ferrari is paying attention to these forums and take inspiration from them. On the other hand, I think we should stay optimistic and hope Ferrari develops it’s own design identity that reflects its past but also looks towards the future. The job they did with the Monza SP1/SP2 (imho) is amazing, a true Ferrari masterpiece therefore we know they can do it, and I hope they continue to do so.


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  22. day355

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    Yes, but the Monza was originally a one off.
     
  23. Lukeylikey

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    #4445 Lukeylikey, Feb 21, 2021
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    I think that view is harsh. It’s a conversation without possibility of a certain conclusion but when you look at Manzoni’s work there’s lots to say and appreciate:

    My summary for the cars released since he has been involved (might have missed some but....)

    Speciale - perfect ‘added aggression’ update for classic 458

    TDF - classically beautiful, almost no detractors

    812/GTS - beautiful to many (but some much prefer predecessor), especially GTS which seems very well received

    Lusso - logical and polished improvement to the characterful but offbeat FF

    488 - coherent and historical, not a ‘loved’ style, but Ferrari has had those before - 308 GT4 was disliked at launch but now well appreciated

    F8/Spider - appreciated more than 488 but arguably less coherent, now 3rd iteration from same platform. Last time they did this? 512M

    Pista - lauded everywhere, a future classic in styling terms

    Monza - classically beautiful, no detractors

    SF90/Spider - modern but controversial, spider attracts very positive comments. Perhaps the most polarising Manzoni design. Had to use styling to indicate a new era from Ferrari. Too early to say how this car will wear its age.


    The above does not seem like a negative resume to me, in fact the opposite. Many of these cars have true Ferrari style, some signal a different mood.

    However, that is nothing new. I’m thinking 250/275 to Daytona, Daytona to 365, 365 to Testatosssa, Dino to 308, 328 to 348, 355 to 360. In fact there seems to be more examples of wildly differing styling themes from generation to generation than there have been similar. That’s not actually correct but you don’t have to look far to find wildly differing designs following on in Ferrari’s back catalogue.

    In the context of all that I think Manzoni’s work so far seems generally really good and very typical of Ferrari’s history in the brand tradition. I think we should remember that styling becomes classical over time, but for a young and performance-led brand like Ferrari was, it has to be modern and performance driven (example: 250 GTO - looks beautiful and classically proportioned now but was born out of performance with beauty very much a second thought). I don’t think today’s styling feels much different to how Ferrari’s styling has always been received. If you wanted to sum 70 years up in two words they would be ‘beauty’ and ‘controversy’.
     
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    Wow Day 355 you never cease to amaze with all the wonderful information you have and the fact you can make sense of it in a way that truly expresses what Ferrari should be in your eyes. We are all so fortunate to have someone like yourself on FChat.
     
  25. Eilig

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    Any decision (design or otherwise) made by committee is a compromise. il Commendatore didn't compromise.
     
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    One of the best posts I've read in a while and I couldn't agree more, as I also think Manzoni and his team did a pretty good job overall with the models they've worked on.
     
  27. Lukeylikey

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    I also forgot something: this idea of designing cars to the tastes of different markets is nothing new, think original Superfast and Superamerica, among the models that were designed to appeal to the US market. It worked too! US became their largest and most successful market.
     
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  28. JackCongo

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    Yes, exactly what happened in 2016 with the tdf.
     
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