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  1. NeilF8888

    NeilF8888 Formula Junior

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    I believe any car in production on Dec 31 2019 is exempt until 2022. Any car that begins production after Jan 1 2020 must comply.


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  2. ScrappyB

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    The F8 Tributo is slated to start production this fall so curious why Ferrari installed GPF’s on it?

    Also, the Speedster starts production next month and it also has GPF’s.
     
  3. NeilF8888

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    I think Porsche and Ferrari fall into different categories because of their production quantities. Ferrari may not start producing the F8 until 2020 forcing it to use GPF’s, it’s not the announcement date it’s the production date that is the deciding factor.
     
  4. Marcel Massini

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    I was in Maranello this week and saw a number of F8 Tributo in various colors, being tested.
    It will be the date of first registration in EU countries. From 1st January 2020 it must have GPF. If you get one and register it before that date no GPF is needed.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  5. REALZEUS

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    It doesn't make sense to engineer two different versions, when they can just make the version that will be mandated for the majority of the car's life.
     
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  6. NeilF8888

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    Hi Marcel,
    If a production F8 is registered in November 2019, in France for example, are all F8’s sold in 2020 legal in France without the GPF?
     
  7. Marcel Massini

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    I don't really know but I don't think so.
    Every single car registration matters. To the best of my knowledge. Date of individual registration.

    Marcel Massini
     
  8. REALZEUS

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    That is also my understanding.
     
  9. Forza Scuderia

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    Wow I can’t wait to see this Aperta that only comes in coupe form
     
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  10. Marcel Massini

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    I now have it directly from the horse's mouth that ALL 812 Superfast MY20 will be built with GPF, no exceptions, no matter for which market. for the entire world.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  11. Eilig

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    Thank you Marcel for this important update. We've been speculating as much for the last few months, but it is good to now have this info CONFIRMED.

    Now the questions will be:

    1) How much weight will the GPF's add - not just the filters/housings themselves, but all the extra heat shielding to prevent them from baking the driver's compartment as well.

    2) How much melodious V12 sound will be lost as a result of the extra exhaust filtration?

    3) Will Ferrari be able to tune more power into the engine in order to compensate for the roughly 5-10% loss of power resulting from GPFs.

    4) Will the automotive aftermarket have the appetite/capability of offering bypass products?

    Recent attempts to reach Novitec et al to inquire about possible new bypass products have not resulted in any productive feedback. Perhaps the potentially stiff legal penalties for said attempts will discourage the aftermarket.
     
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  12. Marcel Massini

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    I have no answers but yes, at least where I live, there will be HUGE fines and penalties for car alterations/modifications.

    Marcel Massini
     
  13. Shack

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    Would this apply to Pista's as well?
     
  14. Challenge64

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    And Lussos and F8s??
     
  15. LVP488

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    Little off topic but:
    - regarding power, Ferrari modified the Pista engine to adapt the GPF for the F8 without any power loss
    - I guess Ferrari intends to produce all Pista before 2020 and delays the F8 for this reason
     
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  16. Eilig

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    It is easier to adapt GPF for smaller displacement engines, as size requirement for GPF is a direct function of engine displacement. So GPF for a 6.5L engine will be significantly larger than for 3.9L engine. It is also my understanding that it is programatically easier to tune turbo engine for inclusion of GPF with less hp loss than it is for NA engine, though I don't understand enough tech details to answer the reason(s) how/why.
     
  17. F2003-GA

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    That's disappointing
     
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  18. Bundy

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    Very disappointing. Makes me grateful that our 812 is a MY 2019 and pray that our TM Pista gets built within the next 6 weeks. I am not down with all this nanny & regulatory BS on our beloved Ferraris.


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  19. italiafan

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    Thanks.
    Just saved me a bundle of money.
     
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  20. tickerhound

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    Very concerned about this since I have an 812 due late this summer. I took delivery of my 488 early SEP 18 and it was a model year 2019 already.
     
  21. of2worlds

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    NO factory holiday in August this year. Keep building cars!:D
    Wishful thinking...
     
  22. NeilF8888

    NeilF8888 Formula Junior

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    What about Monza SP ?
     
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  23. C50

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    OT but related: will late Pista builds also have GPF?
    Thank you
    C
     
  24. BarryK

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    I asked when I went to the factory last week the same question as mu Pista Is due at the end of the year, and the answer is yes. This is to allow the car to be registered early in 2020 in case of any delivery delay. So it seems that the last few weeks of physical production in 2019 will be with GPF. He also said that the sound is not as affected as people say because of some feedback technology developed specifically for Ferrari.
     
  25. Bundy

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    That is NOT music to my ears. :(


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