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Discussion in 'FF/Lusso/F12/812S' started by Frenzisko, Feb 10, 2018.

  1. Jonathan19

    Jonathan19 Formula Junior

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    The 250 Aperta seems too small to me, but it could be a good nod to the 250 GTO ..... You may be right.
     
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  3. iohead

    iohead Karting

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    There are 500 "top" customers.

    If every one of them says yes to the Aperta, they will (have to) make 500 Aperta units.

    If one or more of them go for the Coupe, or just decline the car altogether, they may make fewer Apertas.
     
  4. leopoldo

    leopoldo Formula Junior

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    the name GTO aperta sounds so strange to me... hope they will call this car with a different name
     
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  5. Jonathan19

    Jonathan19 Formula Junior

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    You may be right, that's why I think that 250 even 300 seems not enough.

    We'll see when the time comes.
     
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  6. unogib

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    I wonder what percentage of Pista Spider owners were offered the VS?
     
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  8. atomicskiracer

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    Ferrari also routinely builds more numbered cars than they state.
     
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  9. TAM340R

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    even when they put a small plate in the car stating the number?

    Tam
     
  10. day355

    day355 Formula Junior

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    Personally, I always think that declining a track day version in Aperta was a paradox, even if it is explained very simply.
    Let me tell you an anecdote. During a trackday on the Fiorano track, at lunch I ask Mr X how the production and sales of the 430 Scuderia are going. He replied that all is well and that it is a fantastic machine to ride on the track from time to time ... then says to me, we will try to decline it in Spider even if it was not initially planned in the product plan, because Customers like Spiders ... Mr Y start to speack by saying that it made no sense to lose rigidity and order a track day car and that it was not an F 50 and that the structure was different .. I underline the paradox on a version intended for the track, and they answer me, we will see if it sells. You have all understood that he was talking to me about the genesis of the 16 M which was purely the result of a last minute improvisation ...
    What I wanted to mean is this wish, to greet by commercial success has reproduced itself, whereas it is only a paradoxical creation. An 812 VS is intended for occasional track days, and in accordance with its design and vocation, the model to have is the coupe, and not the Aperta version which is more suited to an image objective.
     
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  11. dcmetro

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    100% agreed , that's exactly what I was saying here previously

    open top VS are a technical nonsense, ferrari is working hard to make the base car stiffer & lighter .. just to make it heavy and less rigid back again in convertible body

    But those are great sounding cars, they seem to bring a lot of fun to their owners and that's probably the only thing that matters
     
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  13. FerrariCognoscenti

    FerrariCognoscenti Formula Junior

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    Will the release of the 812VS mean values of the 812SF will come down? I imagine most buyers of the VS already have an SF and would likely sell/trade it in when their VS is delivered....essentially flooding the market with 1000+ 812SF’s.


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  14. ilcapodizurigo

    ilcapodizurigo Karting

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    Well apparently the Pista Spider did not help you. As per MODIS/CRM Pista Spider is not considered a limited edition and the criteria for the 812VS was owning at least 5 moderns cars from new + owning a limited edition 16M, 458SA, 599GTO, F12TDF etc. The 812VS will def. be a limited edition. Not all of the 180 official Ferrari dealers around the world hold the official sales license and hence I’d say ‘only’ around 120 in fact do. So if every one of the 120 dealerships get 2-3 VSApertas and 6-7 VSCoupes that would mean 240-360 Apertas and 720-840. Have not heard of any dealer who will get more than 8-9 units of the 812VS in total. If you did, let me know. In other words, people saying 499 and 999 is complete nonsense.
     
  15. leopoldo

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    Do you mean 6 cars at the same time in the garage ? ... and ok pista spider is not a limited , but .... if they have produced 1100 pista spider it should quite obvious that these cars went to the 1100 best Ferrari consumers or not? So if this is correct almost all owners of pista spider should have an allocation of a 812 VS ... this at least in “ theory “ ..
     
  16. ilcapodizurigo

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    5 cars and one of them being a limited edition. That was the criteria to even be considered. Was not a guarantee though. Once that criteria is achieved it then was up to the factory and dealer to choose which clients.
     
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  17. unogib

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    Interesting....That would make sense as I have not been offered a VS as technically I do not own a "limited edition". I do own (currently) a 430 Scuderia and Pista Spider (along with GTCLusso) - both of which do not meet the definition
     
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  18. italiafan

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    Yes, but the 16M is a much more fun car to drive than the Scud on twisty country roads on a nice day. It enjoys the benefits of what makes the Scud great on track: lowered, more power, better brakes, lighter, faster F1 shifts, and the sound amplified in open top.
    Win win.
     
  19. [gTr]

    [gTr] Formula Junior

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    Don't bother; 16M, Speciale Aperta, Pista Spiders are all marketing faffs. These abominations were given birth only due to excessive greed of Mr. XYZ and the marketing axxholes within Ferrari. They can't actually be good products that clients enjoy, bring back Enzo Ferrari something something....:rolleyes:
     
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  20. 456-boy

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    Yes, even with numbered plates. Last example is the SA Aperta with two cars having the same numbered plate - and interestingly only a few are numbered, not all the SA Aperta.
    Last full numbered model was the 550 Barchetta.
     
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  21. red passion

    red passion Formula Junior

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    Another case in point that it is time to build on a carbon chassis....
     
  22. galt

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    And let’s face it. All these cars will see a twisty public road 1000x more often then the track. That is where it is most important for these cars to be exciting in my humble opinion.

    If you really plan to track heavily none of these cars are the right ones.

    Top down with a screaming Ferrari engine is a very hard to beat experience.


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  23. Il Co-Pilota

    Il Co-Pilota F1 Rookie

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    Wrong. I know of more than one who got in on the 812VS without owning a limited car.

    Ferrari takes several things into consideration, not just ownership. One of the most important things, is involvement.

    Ferrari basically asked the dealers to pick from the dealers VIP list. Many things can get you VIP status, the rest is the dealers decision.

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  24. Il Co-Pilota

    Il Co-Pilota F1 Rookie

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    The 812 VS should not affect 812 SF values anymore than the TdF had an impact on F12B prices.

    The market will not be flooded with 812 VS cars, so no risk of additional devaluation. The car that hurt SF values was the GTS, and it still does.

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  25. Il Co-Pilota

    Il Co-Pilota F1 Rookie

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    The 1500 number definitely seems high.

    I know for a 100% fact that one of the largest dealers in Europe with over 100 VIP customers were only given 5 allocations in total. That is way, way less than Pista Spiders. There are several corse cliente clients with this dealers and thus several high tier clients. That is quite telling of how few are actually offered.

    Who on earth told you that you needed a numbered car? It might be the case for your dealer in particular, but not for the 812VS in general.

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  26. Robert guth

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    Not as a public company they don't. That'll get them in trouble. That's why they've been more careful with issuing numbered cars over the last few years.
     
  27. Robert guth

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    I guess the question I'd ask is . . . do you think a buyer interested in (and approved for) a VS is in a position to HAVE to sell his/her Superfast. Not to say that some don't take that path - flipping the prior vehicle to enable the next - but the math for most buyers doesn't require a sale to enable the next buy.
     
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  28. gzachary

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    Also matters how much storage space one has. Here in the San Francisco area, storage space is a significant issue.
     
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