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Discussion in 'FF/Lusso/F12/812S' started by Frenzisko, Feb 10, 2018.
I’m convinced that 812 Competizione IS the name of this 812VS.
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The why is not relevant. The minimal 29.5 hp increase over the base is not a good selling point. Maybe its a torque monster. Maybe the real magic awaits us. We'll see. Ferrari historically does not disappoint with the mechanicals.
Ferrari don't have issues selling their cars, Specially the (Special models). If you take into account the 39hp difference between the F12 and the TDF it all sorta make sense. Yes the real magic awaits.
let's see how this 812 competizione will look in the real images. They put a lot of shades in the renders shown yesterday around the six rear bumper and the six trunk lid winglets to dissimulate they are there, let's see how they will look in the real world without any shade around them. In the renders this 812 competizione looks better than the F12 tdf (imho): let's see if it will be the same in the real world.
reflections --> POWER TREND VS PRICE TREND
599 GTB-GTO 620HP/670HP + 8% PRICE ITALY EX VAT € 205.000/267.130 + 30,30%
F12 -TDF 740HP/780HP +5,4% € 227.000/320.175 + 41,04%
812 -VS 800HP/830HP +3,75% € 246.154/500.000 ESTIMATE + 50,00%
IF YOU COMPARE STD MODELS: PRICE OF 599 VS F12 + 10,73% F12 VS 812 +11,85%
THE SAME THING WITH 360 CHALLENGE STRADALE COMPARED TO 430 SCUDERIA-488 PISTA
WHAT DO YOU THINK ??
They are not openings: only winglets, like on the trunk lid
Match is accurate as commented yesterday.
Only thing that could happen is that they had a close runner up and they will switch to it as we've clearly guessed the original choice. LOST style They still have a couple of weeks to change literature, etc.
That said, I find suspiciously unexplainable that no one at Ferrari realized the "812 competizione" script on the dash hadn't been correctly photoshopped out. I don't think they're playing multi-layer cons though... but still!
Odd, isn't it?
"Furthermore, reflecting the status of each vehicle, the 599 GTO and F12tdf were named to pay homage to legendary vehicles and races in the Prancing Horse’s illustrious past.
The GTO (Gran Turismo Omologata) name instantly calls to mind two Ferraris: the 250 GTO, which swept the boards in GT racing in the 1960s, and the iconic 1984 GTO that essentially invented the modern supercar genre. For the F12tdf, it paid homage to the Tour de France, the legendary endurance road race that Ferrari dominated in the 1950s and ‘60s, particularly with the 1956 250 GT Berlinetta which won four consecutive editions in a row.
The name of the new limited edition special series Ferrari – along with further details of its performance attributes – will be unveiled on 5 May…"
Hint or decoy?
I’m pretty sure I replied to this request immediately and was the first to do so. I called it as “812 Competizone” (and you kindly agreed) at that moment. Yet my comment no longer appears.
TO THE MODERATORS: Others here are calling it 812 Competizone and their comments stand.
Did I do something improper?
Your post here:
Not the first though.
Every car enthusiast will have noticed, in recent years, how every manufacturer is looking for Downforce on their roads, more or less extreme, and Ferrari is no exception. But at Ferrari they always manage to combine this need in the best possible way by combining it with the beauty and harmony of the form, unlike Mclaren (the Mclaren Saber is unwatchable and the Senna just ugly from some angles). The need is the same for everyone, but in my opinion at Ferrari they always manage to pursue this need in a balanced way and without ever getting into bad taste (like Mclaren and Lamborghini too) Now give me some Fanboy if you want ))))))) hahaha !!
I agree with you. Always the perfect combination of form and function, speed and downforce without huge wings.
I understand that you like smoother/classical lines but your logic of using CS price rise to justify people's preference for smoother lines is pretty flawed. The total production numbers for CS are anywhere between 1/2 to 1/3rd the other two cars. Nothing matters more for collectable Ferraris than the numbers they were produced in. Read enough posts about CS valuations (and there are many) its always about the numbers and the raw go-cart feeling that the car has. Few people buy the CS over Scuderia because they find it more pleasing to look at....
Think Grigio Coburn or Verde Nathalie would be stunning on this car...
Verde Nathalie would be stunning, indeed. Such an amazing colour created by @Bundy
According to evo magazine it's called "Competizione"
A lot better than Lasuperfast.
It would be a miracle to see anyone hit redline in sport mode in every gear on a daily basis, let alone switching to Race mode or TC off.
800hp or 830hp won't make a big difference, the real difference will be in the cars handling and of course the aerodynamics/downforce which this car is all about and is definitely aimed for track use. If also they will be using an 8-speed transmission instead of the 7-speed or different gear ratios.
Either way, they're both great cars + F12 & Tdf, all I wish for is a handling package for the 812SF and I'll be a happy bloke.
They most likely got that from this forum lol won't be the first time..
My main point is not about how much it will growth in value a car . My main point is that classical lines ( not only in the automotive ) use to be almost “ perpetual “ for the general taste than something much modern and aggressive in terms of shapes. However I am agree with you that if a car has smaller production numbers ( and a better sound ) these will help also in its value growth. I am sorry if I wasn’t very precise in my post.
In my view the real game changer here might be significantly shorter gear ratios, which given the engine will rev to 9500 rpm is I suspect a given, a numerically higher final drive would also make the car feel even more race like but limit top speed, honestly anything over 210 mph is academic really. The higher red line suggests we wont see the 8 speed box UNLESS the idea being to gear the car long in gears 1-3 to account for emissions requirements.
I am quite surprised, that none of the latter discussion has been about GPF....also relieved.
I disagree with the statement that it looks better than the tdf
Power = plenty enough. More than 99% of the people on this board will never utilize more than 800hp (or even 600hp) when exploring the dynamics of this car...when using it what it was build for...not dragracing in strait lines.
Dynamics will have to be phenomenal, expect F1 style experience...fast revving v12 matched with blindingly fast gear shifts....superfast (what's in a name) lap times in the hands of skilled drivers.
From that perspective...the most desirable Ferrari currently coming to / on the market...maybe one of the best Ferrari's in history experience wise. This is the car we long for for a weekend drive in the mountains...
As for styling, oemph...a bit messy. Created by a 'tuner' I agree.... look at the rear, so many elements, could be beautiful in their own right, but don't match together ...styling of this car could have been iconic. Still presence in real life will be to drool over...once I will spot one in real life, my hartrate will jump and I will be exited to see it up close.
But hey...beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Congrats who got a slot for one of these...I would take it! Enjoy!
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