812 VS Rumors

I agree my own guess is 30% premium over the SF with some extra features and options ( carbon fibre wheels or what not) to push the bill close to £500k for a well specc’d one

 

The question is are you happy to compromise on your expectations when the new stuff cost increasingly more...at some point that will become a serious question. Or for the price of an 812 today they will sell you in the future a v6 hybrid with no sound which is as fast or faster on straight line...

 

So you’re telling me there’s still hope for the future? Can you speak to whether it will have a V12?

 

Fair and good question, guess we will see. Like all things we adapt and move forward, some will hold on-to the past and I get that. I have barely worn a non-connected Ewatch in years and I almost feel lost without it. We are all different and Ferrari just needs to go with it, roll the dice and make sure they have the best product at the time. It might actually ensure some of the best offerings in the history of the company because they may know the allocation game is over and so to please the shareholders they need to be better then the competition so all the product sells. My theory is a little different but hopefully see you where I am going with it. What I am basically saying is that if you want a new car the Ferrari(s) might still be the best option so will buy it. Forget about 2nd markets for now, a lot of my new successful friends don't want a used 812 even if is the same price as the new V6 hybrid - they want the new cool mid-engine Ferrari, they want the build experience they want the dealer experience AND mostly all of them are not on FChat

 

maserati is saying that they'll offer the mc20 in nonhybrid ,hybrid and in full ev mode.. so why ferrari is shy about offering the LB also in non-hybrid v6 option alongside hybrid, when their new architecture is "modular" ; keeping option for everyone.. and both parties will be satisfied

 

My apologies but what does LB stand for?

 

Possible...but they have a problem with an hp decrease. They know customers only think about it for the majority, because Ferrari is nowadays an ego s car.
SF 90 is the proof, a pure nosense for the road, and not a track days car.
Our enthusiast community isn t representative of all customers, as you said...

 

Little Brother

 

LB was a nickname one of the Italians used here even before much detail was known about the other big SF90 Stradale flagship model.

 

Thank you

 

Thanks!

 

I made a dream about the car that night... my brain imagined a nasty thing, the front was inspired by the pista, that's all I remember , it looked ferocious

I really really want to see that car so bad

Concerning th power,

The GTO had a 50hp increase over the GTB and the Tdf a 40 Hp increase...

So ... it's safe to assume the "GTO" (I'm also absolutely curious about the name) should be around 845 hp

 

840-850 is a very reasonable guess, in my opinion.

 

You think it will be more ? The 6.5 is already at 123 hp/ Liter on the 812, wich is enormous

 

Is @ferr9000 still alive?
Long time no see

 

No more than 850, just my personal opinion.

 

my bet 860

 

What are chances of hybrid for GTO or will this be the last Pure n/a engine? Little doubt next 12 won’t have an electric assist. Thanks.

 

Please understand it will likely be under 820hp, because of GPFs. Though not directly stated, I calculate the GPFs decrease output by 15-20hp (static amount of decrease regardless of overall engine output).

So if the 812VS power is rated at 820hp that means without GPFs it would be 835-840hp.

Remember, simply making up the HP loss due to GPFs took a significant effort:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/ferrari-says-it-will-fight-save-v12-extinction

It is more likely that the 812VS will 'gain' most of its power by shedding weight, may be up to 200kg (440lb) (speculating) which would have a 'net' effect of increasing HP by another 62hp or so (measuring at 1hp gain per 7 pounds removed).

Of course, if the 812VS incorporates an e-turbo or other momentary boost method, its overall hp rating will increase but the actual un-assisted engine output will be closer to 820hp and if the GPFs devour more than 15-20hp then the 812VS output may be closer to 810hp.

Even the track-only-V12 in the FXXK EVO is only 860hp (6.3L with racing internals and little exhaust restrictions)
https://www.motor1.com/news/185047/ferrari-fxx-k-evo-debut/

 

Zero chance IMO
Hybridization = Reegineer the whole car = New model

VS = More radical version , not new model

 

Seems impossible. That wouldn’t be in line with a special final edition of an existing model series. Implementing that seems like a categorical change perhaps seen on the next iteration

 

I am quite certain that at no point in the history of sports and supercars was the enthusiast community representative of the average buyer...

 

I think they will have a much harder time putting it on a 200 kg diet than adding 60 hp. Also, we don't know what they are doing with the engine design. Individual throttle bodies with tbi? That will remove the need for GPF. GPF is only mandated for DFI cars as far as I recall.
Also, while 860 hp might seem like a lot, it is 7 years ago that the LaF had 860. Yes the GPF robs some power, but you can be pretty sure they left more than enough on the table. Just see what can be done with a dyno and a good tune. If they redesign the intake, do heads and cams, raise compression and all the rest of it, 860 should not pose a problem.

As day355 has pointed out, Ferrari is very much catering to the horsepower wars at the moment, and weight savings seem mess important. Many clients want a fast car with all the creature comforts of modern day life. I'd be surprised if they save 125 kg, but equally surprised if it has less than 860 PS.

E supercharger? No way. E assisted turbocharger? Hell no. That would mean that the car would have to be turbocharged as well for an E-turbo to be implemented. Electric motor on the crank? Not likely. They could of course do what Lambo did on the Sian, but I hope they have more integrity than that.


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I think a great name would be 812 Competizione.