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  2. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Not a darn thing.....he has gone to lengths to show the rough paint spots.

    Obvious respray, as the black reveal line along the middle is GONE!

    It does in fact have the euro treatment of the front end, recessed fogs, bi color turn lenses, deep spoiler, yet the rear shows the amber lens with backup lights at center, a US feature.

    Any body run this VIN and confirm this is a Euro spec car? Be careful with that part, there is Euro and then there is Euro look..... a converted car to US standard will have associated DOT certification paperwork.

    Nice color!
     
  3. bert308

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    All the euro cars after 1980 have these same rear lights.
    First I thought this one has a recessed US rear bumper, but they don't crack like this one did so it must be a thin plastic euro bumper. However there are still the rubber flaps left and right, used on the US cars to hide the huge gap between bumper and car so I also think it is a US car.
     
  4. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Thank Bert!

    I wasn't sure about the rear lights. Still you think this car sends mixed signals also??????
     
  5. Steve Magnusson

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    I'd deduct a few $K in my thinking for the 390mm wheels...
     
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  7. ArtS

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    What would you guys say this car is worth?

    Thanks,

    Art S.
     
  8. hardtop

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    The manufacturer plate is certainly not US. I have doubts about the clained 20K miles. Why respray? The seats look pretty worn for 20K, even for cream color. I had a QV GTB with 39K on it with better, original interior. Wonder how many KM's in addition to the miles. However, GTB's are rare in the US. A blue one with cream leather and blue carpets would be cool. There are enough minuses that I would want to be well less than 30K. Probably has deferred maintenance as well.

    Dave
     
  9. M.James

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    Looks to me to be rather honest in the description of the vehicle - the seller isn't hiding any flaws at all. Respray or not, the paint code sticker matches the car, so it could have been done well. Engine looks clean. If there are service records to review, I'd give this car a harder second-look. Definitely appears to be Euro, as those labels in the door jamb are not US-Spec...

    I'd deduct points for the 14" wheels and the cracked bumper, though. If the car is well serviced and paint looks very good up-close, I'd offer $30K....if there's no recent service records, well, maybe $26K?
     
  10. Nuvolari

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    The metric wheels are correct for the vintage.

    This is definatly a US car. The give aways are the bumper surrounds, side marker lights, and MPH speedometer. I would not think that the seller is misrepresenting the car because he probably does not know any better about Euro vs US because it is not his car.
     
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  12. M.James

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    Question - if this were a Euro car that was Federalized, wouldn't some Federalization shops add/swap these items to a Euro car for compliance reasons?
     
  13. Bandit

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    VIN decodes as Euro. The L in the fourth digit and the B in the eighth position are designations for the Euro engine and Euro market. Also, a US car would have a check sum number in the tenth digit, this one is zero.

    Somebody tell me what the heck that big black box is that appears to be mounted under the dash.
     
  14. GrigioGuy

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    Looks like some early alarm system
     
  15. M.James

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    Looks to be Old-School UNGO alarm system.....
     
  16. 348 Turbo

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    I believe this to actually be a euro car. My 308QV Euro had a similar bumper surrounds. It also got side marker lights during the federalization. It was also converted to a "miles" speedo. Rare car. I like it. For the right price, it would be great fun. Just redye, (or re-skin), the seats, clean up the engine bay and you'd have a sweet little 308.
     
  17. Nuvolari

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    I guess the serial number does not lie. I therefore pull back my statement that this is a US spec car. Sorry if I confused anyone.
     
  18. NoTorq

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    Wow, what quick responses! Thanks everyone. I'm looking for a GTB QV and when one popped up right in my hometown I thought I'd ask if anyone knew anything about it. Unfortunately, I'm probably a year away from a purchase, gotta sell my S2000 and wait for my son to be born! Probably just as well, as nice as the blue is I'm pretty set on red or black.

    Thanks again everyone.
     
  19. Testacojones

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    It seem that this car was repainted, the centerline along the car is blue instead of black.
     
  20. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    That was my observation.

    Think twice about the blue..Even my 12 year old daughter notices we are more 'stealth' in the blue car over the yellow or red one........

    Sometimes that's a GOOD thing.....LOL!
     
  21. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Looks like it sold for $29K, good deal for someone, there.

    Lots of money left to fix the rough spots..........
     

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