857S restored by Dk | FerrariChat

857S restored by Dk

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Timmmmmmmmmmy, Jan 16, 2012.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Timmmmmmmmmmy

    Timmmmmmmmmmy F1 Rookie

    Apr 5, 2010
    2,614
    NZ
    Full Name:
    Timothy Russell
  2. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,118
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    Lovely.

    This was the first Ferrari I ever drove although at the time it was fitted with a V8 Chevy.

    I couldn't scrape up the 3.5K to buy it.

    Andy Warhol did and painted it yellow with black wheels.
     
  3. tritone

    tritone F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Dec 8, 2003
    6,886
    On the Rock
    Full Name:
    James
    And that's todays lesson boys and girls; work hard (and smart) and you can get what you want! :)
     
  4. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,118
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    It's interesting to speculate as to whether it's worth more as restored by DK or if it had been left with the 327 Chevy as hand painted by Andy Warhol...
     
  5. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Dec 6, 2002
    79,218
    Houston, Texas
    Full Name:
    Bubba
    Probably with Andy's paint.....LOL!

    What did his M1 BMW bring, last month?
     
  6. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,118
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    That was a Stella. His is owned by BMW.
     
  7. Terra

    Terra F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Feb 16, 2004
    3,690
    It lost its Warhol paint long, long ago.
     
  8. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Dec 6, 2002
    79,218
    Houston, Texas
    Full Name:
    Bubba
    Ah,, thanks!

    The mind is the second thing, to go.....
     
  9. ferrarip4

    ferrarip4 Formula 3

    May 8, 2008
    1,208
    Sydney, Australia
    Full Name:
    Chanh Lê Huy
    When they mention: “I seriously consider the finished result is as close as anybody could get to how the car was when delivered in February ’56,” says David Cottingham", I wonder if, being a racing car, she was finished when new as meticulously as she is now...
     
  10. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
    17,673
    Tauranga, NZ
    Full Name:
    Pete
    Doesn't look over restored to me, but the number on the front appears to be with the wrong font and too large or something. Oops

    Get a few races under her belt and she will look perfect :).
    Pete
     
  11. michael platzer

    michael platzer F1 Veteran

    Nov 12, 2003
    5,220
    Austria
    Full Name:
    Michael Platzer
    are there any pictures of 0588M with the Warhol paint?
     
  12. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,118
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
    I think there are as I remember it having black wheels but I don't remember where I saw them.
     
  13. jjmcd

    jjmcd Formula Junior

    Dec 3, 2004
    490
    Some more info:

    VINTAGE: Ferrari 857 Sport Scaglietti Spyder

    Four-cylinder sports racer is one of the lesser-known designs by the great Sergio Scaglietti, who recently died at 91.

    Wouter Melissen | http://www.***************.com | Posted November 22, 2011 Goodwood, GB

    This weekend, Sergio Scaglietti passed away at the age of 91. The very talented Italian had been part of Ferrari's legacy since the early 1950s when his company, Carrozzeria Scaglietti, became the coachbuilder of choice for the manufacturer's competition cars. As a result, many of the company's most legendary machines have Scaglietti's signature on them.

    Today we pay tribute to Sergio Scaglietti by taking a closer look at one of his lesser-known Ferraris, the 857 Sport Scaglietti Spyder. This particular car was only very recently restored to its original configuration and made a spectacular debut at the Goodwood Revival where James Cottingham dominated his race but had to retire with low oil pressure.

    The four-cylinder is so big that designer Sergio Scaglietti had to add “blisters” on the engine cover to clear the cam-covers. It is the fourth and final 857 Sport built for Scuderia Ferrari in the summer of 1955. Power comes from a four-cylinder engine that is so big that Scaglietti had to add “blisters” on the engine cover to clear the cam-covers. The cars were only briefly raced by the works team as they were replaced by the 860 Monza early in 1956.

    Our feature car was sold directly to the United States and uniquely sports a fin on the headrest. It was raced by the likes of Carroll Shelby and Richie Ginther.

    Originally developed for the all-conquering Ferrari 500 F2 single seater, the Aurelio Lampredi-designed straight four was briefly among Ferrari's most widely used sports-car engines during the early 1950s. Following several prototypes raced by the works team in 1953, two production racers were launched in 1954: the 500 Mondial and 750 Monza, equipped with respectively a 2-lier and a 3-litre version of the four.

    In a quest for even more power and torque, Ferrari's engineers continued the development of the four-cylinder engine. By 1955, its maximum displacement of just over 3.4 liters was achieved by boring and stroking the light alloy block to 102 mm and 105 mm. That was almost twice the size of the two-liter original, which featured a more modest bore and stroke of 90 mm and 78 mm. The big four had a unitary displacement of 857.98 cc.

    The Lampredi-designed straight four was for a time the most popular sports-car racing engine used in the 1950s. (Photo: Wouter Melissen) Known as the Tipo 129, the 1955-specification engine followed the design of Lampredi's original, first raced back in 1952. Both the block and head were constructed from light alloy. The beautifully sculpted head featured twin overhead camshafts and could accommodate two plugs per cylinder.

    The engine was fed by two massive twin-choke Weber carburetors. All this helped the Tipo 129 produce around 280 horsepower and close to 295 pound-feet of torque.

    The very tall engine was mated with a five-speed gearbox and bolted into the Tipo 510 chassis that was virtually identical to the one used for the 750 Monza production cars. The frame was constructed from elliptical tubes and suspension was by double wishbones and coil springs at the front, while the rear used a DeDion axle with a transverse leaf spring.

    Unlike the British rivals, the Italian manufacturer opted tor retain the tried-and-tested hydraulic drums over the disc brakes pioneered by Jaguar.

    In good Ferrari tradition, the new four-cylinder racer was named after its unitary displacement, so the car was known as the 857 S or Sport. From the Ferrari factory, the rolling chassis were shipped to Sergio Scaglietti in Modena, which by then was responsible for clothing almost all of Ferrari's sports racers. The aluminum skin crafted by Scaglietti's skilled workers was similar to that of the rest of the range with the exception of two blisters on the engine cover, needed to clear the tall engine's cam covers.

    Scaglietti fitted the Spyder with its unique fin before it was sold to an American racer. (Photo: Wouter Melissen) Three examples were produced late in 1955 especially for the Scuderia Ferrari works team, while a fourth 857 Sport was sold directly to the United States. The three works cars were raced only briefly by the factory with a victory in the Giro di Sicilia in 1956 as the best result. In private hands, the four machines were campaigned for a lot longer and with considerable success, especially in the United States. Among the 857 Sport's noteworthy drivers were the likes of Phil Hill and Carroll Shelby.

    One of the main reasons the 857 Sport was only briefly used by the Scuderia was that it was quickly followed by the 860 Monza. This used the same Tipo 129 engine but now in combination with the Tipo 520 chassis also used by the V12-powered 290 MM. Compared with the earlier design, the new chassis featured tubular reinforcements bringing it closer to a space-frame design. Another change was the adoption of a sturdier four-speed gearbox. Only three 860 Monzas were built, one of which was later converted to 290 MM specification.

    Ready in time for the season opening Sebring 12 Hours, the new 860 Monza had a dream debut. Two cars were entered and Fangio and Castellotti led Musso and Schell home to score a one-two win. The winning car was sold but the other was campaigned alongside the 290 MMs for the rest of the year. Schell added another victory to the 860 Monza's tally by winning the GP de Rouen. The 1956 season would be the swansong for the works four cylinders but the engine would live on for another year in the customer 500 TR(C).

    Used with great effect in period, the four-cylinder engines form but a side-note in the history of Ferrari where the V12 engine reigns supreme. When driven well, and most importantly carefully, the four-cylinder Ferraris were more than a match for most rivals. But missing a gear and over-revving could have catastrophic results. It is perhaps not a coincidence then that the type's biggest win was scored by the ever-delicate Juan Manuel Fangio.

    The Ferrari dominated the Earl of March Trophy race at Goodwood until it was sidelined with low oil pressure. (Photo: Wouter Melissen) The featured car is the fourth and final 857 Sport produced, chassis 0588M, and was entered in the 1955 RAC Trophy by Ferrari. Unfortunately, an accident in practice prevented it from participating in the race. The car was returned to Scaglietti for repairs and fitted with a unique fin on the headrest before it was sold to American privateer entrant Jon Edgar.

    Edgar entered the 857 Sport in 1956 for Jack McAfee and Carroll Shelby. Both drivers added several victories to the chassis' tally.

    Early in 1957, 0588M was acquired by Stan Sugerman, who campaigned the car himself and also entered it for McAfee and a young Richie Ginther. Like many of its exotic contemporaries, this 857 Sport had its high-maintenance engine replaced with an American V8. The car subsequently passed into various hands, including those of one Andy Warhol.

    The car returned to Europe in the early 1970s and was raced with a 275 GTB V12 engine. Late in 2010, it was bought by DK Engineering and completely restored with a correct engine.

    Chassis 0588M was ready in time for the 2011 Goodwood Revival where it dominated the Earl of March Trophy until a low oil- pressure warning prompted driver James Cottingham to pull into the pits.


    http://automotive.speedtv.com/article/vintage-ferrari-857-sport-scaglietti-spyder

    See also: http://axisofoversteer.blogspot.com/2011/12/long-history-of-oddball-ferrari.html
     
  14. Bryanp

    Bryanp F1 Rookie

    Aug 13, 2002
    3,800
    Santa Fe, NM
    almost a liter per cylinder; think about that, torque-fiends.

    and the way the 4-cylinder cars were cammed, a whole lot of power came on suddenly around the 38000rpm mark (at least on the tipo 111, 2 liter motors). You had to keep one eye on the tach when cornering.

    My father once spun out at Bridgehampton when the power came on at the wrong point in a turn; he was bewildered at first because he was sure he had been hit from behind, the power surge was so strong and abrupt. So imagine a motor w/ nearly twice the displacement but w/ similar cams.. .. .
     
  15. wbaeumer

    wbaeumer F1 Veteran
    Consultant

    Mar 4, 2005
    8,828
    Yep, and this is the reason why Maserati`s 4-cyl.-engines were much better!

    Ciao!
    Walter
     
  16. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
    17,673
    Tauranga, NZ
    Full Name:
    Pete
  17. swift53

    swift53 F1 Veteran
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 17, 2007
    6,744
    E.S.
    Full Name:
    Alberto
    38000?
    The tach probably went to 90000
    Sorry Bryan :)
    Just nitpicking, you know...idle fingers...
    Regards, Alberto
     
  18. Bryanp

    Bryanp F1 Rookie

    Aug 13, 2002
    3,800
    Santa Fe, NM
    CRAZY things happen at 38000 rpm! ;)
     
  19. TZ 750

    TZ 750 Formula Junior

    Jul 18, 2009
    912
  20. kare

    kare F1 Rookie
    Consultant

    Nov 11, 2003
    3,634
    Could somebody shoot the pianist, please?
     
  21. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
    Honorary Owner

    Oct 23, 2002
    32,118
    Full Name:
    Jim Glickenhaus
  22. bitzman

    bitzman F1 Rookie
    BANNED

    Feb 15, 2008
    3,287
    Ontario, CA
    Full Name:
    wallace wyss
    I just read the story by John Edgar's son on Forza website
    about the Cottingham restoration and though mentions it was smashed in Europe
    he doesn't mention that his father was dismayed when he received the car,
    thinking it was new only to find accident damage underneath.
    Or am I thinking of a different car?
    I read the story of the accident damage only a couple days ago but forgot
    where I read it, maybe in another Ferrari magazine.
    The reason I am asking is that I know at some point John Edgar soured on Ferraris
    and if he was sold a "ringer" this might be one of the reasons though if Shelby won in it
    it must have been correctable
     
  23. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    warhol, calder and stella all did art cars. some were csl's and some m-1's...

    ...but all were/are important pcs of bmw motorsport!
     
  24. Wi11am

    Wi11am Karting

    Oct 6, 2019
    157
    Charleston, SC
    Full Name:
    William Morton
    Bump.
     

Share This Page