930 Turbo Carrera

I'm curious about the use of the snorkel washers, so searched this thread and didn't find a definitive answer: apparently there was a 'snorkel delete' alternative; what about a 'snorkel option' for NA cars? At the local golf club parking lot last week was this bronze (Casablanca Biege?) 911SC with snorkels. Very stock looking in all respects. Probably a '78 car judging by details.
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The headlight washers, (snorkel) washers were an option on 3.0 and. 2.7 911s and standard equipment on 930s. Very few 911s from 74-79 have these washers but it was available. If it wasn't ordered it was an obvious delete. All 930s up to early '79s (VIN 817 and before) should have these washers. Some have been replaced by later flush mount washers.

 

Here’s a rough Google English translation from the July 1974 Auto Motor und Sport. From this article, it appears S-AZ 3030 may have been a Carrera RS 3.0 with a turbo-charged 3-liter engine.

Even more performance

When the current Porsche Carrera RS top model will have a new Porsche, the sensitivity of the public to be presented for the first time at the Paris Salon in the fall. Around 280 hp air-cooled six-cylinder mobilized, which helps a turbocharger to optimum filling.

Whether the 2.7 liter or the 3 liter version of the Porsche engine-work will serve as a base for the turbocharged engine, has not been decided yet - currently testing Porsche still have both versions in the long-term experiment. In contrast to the Carrera RS, from which only a limited quantity will be produced and who has reasons of weight over a scaled-down interior, receives the new 911 Turbo, the externally largely corresponds to that shown already at last year's IAA turbo Porsche, complete interior of the remaining 911 models and assumes the role of the official flagship model of the 911 series. The delivery of the first turbocharged Porsche series, which will cost about 50 000 marks, expected at the end of 1974.
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Sold for 65,000 pounds.

 

I once heard that the black 74 "turbo" is infact a 74 carrera with factory modifications, not a 3.0 RS, but can't remember the details.

Regards,
Andrea

 

My ’75 930 Turbo made a small appearance in the Sep ‘75 Rocky Mountain Region newsletter. The issue has an article on the 1975 Seattle Porsche parade and one of the photos shows Grady Clay changing the spark plugs on his 911 prior to the Autocross event at the Seattle International Raceway (my Turbo is in the upper left of the photo, still on factory Fuchs prior to the event). Another photo shows Robert Ibbotson’s RSR 2.8 that finished 2/100’s of a second in front of Fred Veitch’s ’75 Turbo (all photo credits: Frank Barrett). This article (and the article in the Aug ’75 RMR PCA newsletter) mention that my ’75 was one of the first two turbos brought into the U.S. by Vasek Polak. The black ’75 930 Turbo sold at Vasek most likely also came from Pon’s’, the pair being a handful of the very first turbos invoiced by Pon’s. Hopefully, the black ’75 is still a survivor in the U.S, stashed away in a barn or warehouse waiting to be rediscovered.
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Prior to its introduction to the U.S., the Turbo was eagerly anticipated by many local PCA regions. Mike Mate provided this drawing of “The Turbo” in the May ’75 RMR newsletter and another drawing of a Turbo RSR next to a Pioneer Porsche + Audi advertisement in the Dec ’75 RMR issue.
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Yes, but it sounds like a well-enjoyed British rust bucket...drove hard and put away wet as they say. Still a lot of scratch for a car needing a full restoration. Here's a discussion:

DDK - Die Deutschen Klassiker ? View topic - Nice early 3.0 turbo

"We went to Brightwells this morning to checkout the 75 Turbo
I'm afraid it's not so nice, rust bubbling through in many places and the history shows a lot of secondhand panels have been used throughout the years probably to combat rust previously , ? Rear tail genuine, it had had 2 replacements in history. Engine was very wet and didn't look in good health
We went with the intention of bidding but left early.
IMO needed a fully blown body and mechanical restoration
Pity as obviously a rare car but needs some one braver than me to tackle it.
Let's hope no one buys it on internet bidding as I am pretty sure they will be shocked when they get close to it"

 

Lot of money for an average car by the sound of it.

 

When a nicely restored 3 litre turbo shows up the price has got to be north of 100k now, these cars are no longer 'forgotten!'

 

S-CH 8158 featured in the July 1975 Rallye Racing magazine.
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Love the tartan trim

 

Polaroid president William J. McCune Jr. (right) picking up his 1976 Turbo Carrera at Zuffenhausen. From the December 1976 Christophorus.
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Anyone know where I can get a 1976 tea tray spoier from? The one with the larger second vent. Thanks.

 

From what I understand the early 930s were delivered with two black master keys and two red valet keys (attached to a DOM key tag). Starting with 1976 model year one of the black master keys was a lighted, while the second one was the older style with the hold in the grip.

Is this correct? I've heard people also say there was only one of each key.

 

Ryan - the ’75 Turbo manual has a photo that shows two keys, one red and one black that were delivered with the cars. The 1976 Turbo Carrera manual also shows two sets of keys, red and black and one master key with a built-in flashlight in the key head.

The enlargement of the S-CH 8158 interior photo below shows the red and black keys for the ’75 Turbos and perhaps an aftermarket keychain.
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Good point on checking the manual!

The 1975 manual states:

"Two sets of keys are supplied with the vehicle. Each set contains one master key (black handle) which fits all locks. The second key (red handle) fits only the door locks and ignition/steering lock."

So it sounds like the 1975 came with two black master, and two red master, as I suspected. I wonder if each set also came attached to a separate DOM key tag...or if there was only one set with the DOM key tag. Or were all four keys attached to the same tag with the black plastic tie?

For 1976 it appears that one set of the keys has the lighted master key, while the second set has the old style black key.

 

Keys photos of a march 75 test car
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My factory contact who was there at the time says this car was neither a Turbo or an RS, and was simply a concept car upon which to base the upcoming Turbo's cosmetics. Clearly they adopted the wheel flares and graphics for the production car.

His words: "it was a 1974 Carrera, a factory concept car, the red & white stripes on the front hood were for Austria, as the design studio boss was Austrian".

 

Thanks Joe. Andrea also mentioned in his post that it was in fact a '74 Carrera with factory modifications. S-AZ 3030 appears to have more 930 features than the 1973 Frankfurt show silver 911 Turbo concept car and the 1975 911 Carrera with 2.7 turbo engine presented to Louise Piëch on her 70th birthday. Both of these cars are well known in Porsche history but not so much for S-AZ 3030. Even Porsche AG’s “Turbo Stories” book has S-AZ 3030 misidentified as a 1975 911 Turbo.

 

S-CH 8158 posing with 356/1 for Porsche’s “25 Years Driving in its Purest Form”
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In “Porsche, Excellence was Expected”, Karl Ludvigsen also mentions that early on Porsche tested both the 2.7 and 3 liter engines in turbocharged form: “At the outset the Porsche engineers tested both the 2.7 and 3.0-liter basic engines for the roadgoing turbocharged role. By March of 1974, they had settled on the three-liter size for one principle reason: it gave the engine better low-speed throttle response and improved the transition between the unblown and blown operating sates.”

Perhaps S-AZ 3030 did have a turbocharged 3-liter engine making it the first 911 Turbo.

 

A 924 and Turbo going through 50,000 mile American emission testing in Germany. Photo from the December 1976 Christophorus.
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Photos of a 75 930 at Le Mans classic 2012.

#21 - PORSCHE 930 Turbo 1975 (Véhicule), Evènement, Année 2012, Le Mans Classic 2012, Plateau 6, 1

 

2010 film of the car on the Le Mans track
Crubile race prepared.

le Mans 2010 inboard Porsche 930Turbo, 935 JLP and 936.mov - YouTube