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Afternoon with a 312P

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by BillGammon, Nov 30, 2003.

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  1. BillGammon

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    #1 BillGammon, Nov 30, 2003
    Was out of state this weekend delivering a racecar for some repair and the shop had an outstanding resident that I couldn't resist sharing with my friends.

    A quite delicious 312P was vacationing at this location and getting some loving attention. Between this beauty and the other car in the shop it was nearly sensory overload.

    I snapped a few pics and hope you guys enjoy them.

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    I certainly was honored to see the car. Definitely a treat after a 600+ mile drive in some of the worst rain I have yet encountered.

    Hope the pics are enjoyed.

    ***I previewed the post and the pics didn't appear. I can only get the URLs to appear. The page is showing me that the IMG code is OFF. I am sorry I couldn't get the images to work. I am sure I will figure it out right after posting this.
     

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  2. Agent Smith

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    #2 Agent Smith, Nov 30, 2003
    SWEET!!!! Thanks Bill :)
     
  3. michael platzer

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    #3 michael platzer, Dec 1, 2003
    great pics - where did you see the car ?
    as far as i know there are only 2 cars left - one ownwed by peter sachs (0870) and beeing shown in perfect condition at the cavalliino classic 2003, and the other one in the mas du clos collection of bardinon in france (0872).
    both cars have a closed body - the car on the pictures shows a spider-body. is it a rebody ?
    so - what chassisnumber is it ?
     
  4. 360C

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    #4 360C, Dec 1, 2003
    That isn't a 312P. I "think" it's a 330P3 that was rebodied for NART to race in the American Can Am series but I don't have time to look into it further at the moment. No doubt someone else will suss it out before I get a chance to come back to it.







     
  5. WILLIAM H

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    #5 WILLIAM H, Dec 1, 2003
    I think it is a 312P, definately a 312P body, cant tell from the chassis though. Ive seen a 330P4 CanAm & it looks nothing like this.

    Awesome pics, Thanks
     

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  6. amenasce

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    #6 amenasce, Dec 1, 2003
    well its not Sachs nor Bardinon 312P !

    Couldnt it be a 312 PB with a different body ?
     
  7. amenasce

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    #7 amenasce, Dec 1, 2003
    it really looks like a 312P but i thought only 2 reamined or were built ? and both have closed body ? What gives ?

    Where is Wayne ?
     
  8. BillGammon

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    #8 BillGammon, Dec 1, 2003
    Damn, even though I don't try to, it seems like every time I post something it causes a huge damn controversy.

    I have already gotten two emails from people claiming that I stole those pics from someone else and the replies in this thread are nearly as bad.

    I thought I learned my lesson when Fchat nearly crucified me a year ago for simply inquiring about selling a Fcar. For some reason I keep hanging around.

    As for the pics, yes I did take them on Saturday. If anyone thinks differently I will give $5000.00 for proof.

    As for the car, it is a 312P and I know who owns it. I didn't get into details about exactly why it is where it is, or what is being done to it, but given its stature, I am CONFIDENT that many on this board know every detail.

    Jeesh, I just wanted to share a few pics.
     
  9. Napolis

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    #9 Napolis, Dec 1, 2003
    Bill my friend
    The car is a 312 PB
    0880
    0882
    0886
    0888
    0890
    0892
    0894
    0896
    Way cool.
     

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  10. BillGammon

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    #10 BillGammon, Dec 1, 2003
    See, there are nice people on here :)

    But, it's not a "PB" is it?

    Doesn't the "B" denote a Boxer engine?
     
  11. 134282

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    #11 134282, Dec 1, 2003
    OMG...! Very intimate pictures of a ridiculously awesome machine - Bill, this is so cool, thanks for posting...! Everyday, in my WinAmp selection, i have a clip of a 312PB that i play; i close my eyes while listening and, for that short amount of time, everything goes away... :)

    Very, very cool pictures, thank you for sharing... Even more awesome that YOU took them which means you saw the car in person... Very, very cool...

    Yes, the B in PB stands for Boxer... PB: Prototipo Boxer...

    Thanks again for sharing, this definitely gets my vote on thread of the month...
     
  12. Napolis

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    #12 Napolis, Dec 1, 2003
    Bill
    Once again you are right.
    It's not a PB
    It's not really a 312 P either.
    It's one of two cars
    The "Chinetti Special/Flying Shingle which was built using some parts of
    0872 which was crashed and is being rebuilt with a new chassis.
    Or
    A special that was built using the non 0872 remains of the above car using a 330 motor and Lola uprights.
    Best
     
  13. 134282

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    #13 134282, Dec 1, 2003
    Mr. G., you ever drive one of those...? i'm trying to link grandprixsounds.com to show their 312PB clip, but they're site is not displaying for me... They might've changed their address... Awesome sound...!!! :)
     
  14. Napolis

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    #14 Napolis, Dec 1, 2003
    Not yet. They are pretty cool.
     
  15. Boudewijn

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    #15 Boudewijn, Dec 1, 2003
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    It is a 312 P engine I'm seeing. Compare the different engines. First the engine of 312 PB #0890, then 312 P #0870 and then the engine of this car.
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  18. Napolis

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    #18 Napolis, Dec 1, 2003
    Do you think it's the Chinetti Special/Flying Shingle as well?
     
  19. Old Guy

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    #19 Old Guy, Dec 1, 2003
    Bill,

    Geez, you must be amused at the "expertise" in the answers you've received. You are absolutely correct -- it's a real 312 P, at "J.C.'s" shop.

    The 312 P(B) used a flat 12 engine. This is a V-12.

    The "Flying Shingle," and the special using a 330 motor and Lola uprights (and a Wayne Sparling body and chassis) are the same car. That car has none of the parts of the real 0872.

    :)
     
  20. BillGammon

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    #20 BillGammon, Dec 1, 2003
    J.C.'s shop :)

    I knew someone would know the necessary stuff.

    I was honored to even see the thing.
     
  21. Scuderia CC

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  22. Napolis

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    #22 Napolis, Dec 1, 2003
    Real means different things to different people.
    0868
    0870
    0872
    0874
    0878/80
    Those are the ones that mean real to me.
    How about you Old Guy?
     
  23. amenasce

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    #23 amenasce, Dec 1, 2003

    May i ask why are you so aggressive ?
     
  24. BillGammon

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    #24 BillGammon, Dec 1, 2003
    No agression, just exasperation.

    I spent some time with a spectacular car, take some pictures and share them with the people on Fchat (some of which I consider friends)

    The comments center mostly me not knowing what I am talking about and (through private messages) it is alleged that the photos are either faked or that I stole them from another site.

    I shared photos of a car, nothing more, nothing less. I see others share pics all the time and rarely are they attacked and accused of being a fraud. I guess I should expect no less.

    In the end, its been fun following the thread while toiling away at work today. I, for one, would really like to know more of the history of the car. The pics posted in the vintage section (mentioning this thread) were spectacular.
     
  25. amenasce

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    #25 amenasce, Dec 1, 2003

    Well i dont see why you get so exasperated just because we, as ferrari enthusiasts , started wondering which car it was.I can understand you got pissed because someone said to you by pm that you stole those pics but why get so worked up because we are/were trying to figure out which car it is..its part of the fun of this forum !
     
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