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Air conditioning question for 1991 Testarossa

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  1. leslie_choo

    leslie_choo Formula Junior

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    Hi all

    Hope you can help :-

    1) the two side round ac vent doesn't seems to blow alot of air, I would say only the three square vents work well. Even I turn highest blower speed the air is min. Is this the design or something is wrong in my car blower ?

    2) my ac will get cold only when I ramp my car up say 2500 rpm and above . Especially travel on highway. But when I slow down the air is only cooling. I have set the temp to about just below 20 degree.





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  2. turbo-joe

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    1. may be one of the airhoses are broken somewhere or disconnected and the air is passing there? but the normal airflow is not so like from a hairdryer :)

    2. you may take out all the freon (134A ) gas. I´m sure you get out only about max. 25 % of this what has to go in. then refill and it will blow cold again also in idle.
     
  3. ago car nut

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    If you still have the R-12 freon ? If you are able to source R-12 freon, use it. Don't switch to R-134 unless last resort. You may have moisture in system. Evacuate (pull vacuum) save R-12, change drier.


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  4. Steve Magnusson

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    #4 Steve Magnusson, Jun 15, 2014
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    The air tubes going from the main center plenum chamber to the side vents aren't huge, and they have some sharp bends IIRC so not great when even working as designed as romano indicated. However, they are double-walled insulated tubes, so if your dash has been disassembled/reassembled, it's easy for the reassembler to do this wrong and get the outermost tube wall onto the fitting (so it looks right) but the innermost tube wall (that actually conveys the air) is folded/crunched up/blocked. Has you dash ever been disassembled/reassembled? (But I wouldn't do anything here until looking at the things in #2 below.)

    This can be a symptom that the AC condensor fan mounted forward of the LH front wheel isn't operating. On a hot day with the coachwork stationary and the AC "on", stick your hand in front of the LH front wheel = hot air should be blowing out. If not = something electrical not right (motor rotten, fuse-relay board connection burned, fuse blown, bad AC condensor fan relay, bad thermal switch on high pressure line, etc.). Also, you may have a lot of debris blocking the AC condensor radiator core (the inlet is the single vent in the LH side of the front spoiler).

    If the AC condensor fan is working and the AC condensor radiator is clear, the other easy thing to do is to just look at the refrigerant observation window on the AC dryer -- good = a moving liquid stream; not good = moving liquid stream with bubbles; bad = no movement.
     
  5. leslie_choo

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    Thank you for all the info guys !!
     
  6. lear60man

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    Just adding to the expert knowledge above....

    When investigating a RPM gauge issue, I pulled the cluster. Guess what? The left tube going to the left circle dash vent was un-hooked. Everything was there, just not connected. Life goes on after re connecting.
     
  7. leslie_choo

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    New progress for question Q2) and I need your expert knowledge here. When I top up gas the AC is very cold again. After 2 months, the AC not performing again. The AC mechanic has been trying to track the leak ( suspecting leaking) all the way from external , and no leak can be found. He suspects there is a leak in the evaporator coil .

    The question I have is

    3) where can I buy an evaporator cooling coil ?
    4) does the dashboard need to be removed ? If yes it must be a huge job. Has anyone done this before ?

    Thanks in advance !
     
  8. turbo-joe

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    with a leak detector you normaly will find every leak in the AC system.
    I put sometimes special color ( light green ) in and after about 2 weeks if it is leaking only a little I see where this color comes out.
    so before removing things first check where the leak is
     
  9. leslie_choo

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    Thank you joe, yes I did add the small bottle fluorescent compressor oil, no leak from compressor all the way , nothing leak from outside. but we cannot see the inside such as evaporator , so very high chance is the evaporator
     
  10. leslie_choo

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    I search all websites , I cannot find Testarossa evaporator for sale , any idea where can I buy one ?


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  11. Bucci

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    I can not get compressor to turn on. I assume the dial on the console just needs to be turned to cold, but nothing happens. The push buttons do not do much either. Any suggestions? Unless I am missing a button I am supposed to push. Thoughts?
     
  12. Steve Magnusson

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    Please clarify your symptom -- are you saying:

    1. The interior air blower fan does not come "on", even when set to max speed, or

    2. The interior air blower does come "on", but the AC compressor clutch does not engage?

    For 1, the prime suspect is a frazzled/burned connection in the k horizontal white connector at the bottom of the fuse-relay panel.

    For 2, most likely the high/low pressure switch on the dryer is not closed (because the refrigerant has been lost).
     
  13. Bucci

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    Sorry the blower is fine. The AC compressor will not come on, or I don't know how to engage it. I assume I just turn the temp dial down to cold setting?
     
  14. Qavion

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    #14 Qavion, Jan 11, 2021
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    What pushbuttons have you selected on your centre console (next to the gearstick)?

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    Button 13 = STOP button
    Button 14 = climatised air
    Button 15 = ventilation air
    Button 16 = maximum windscreen demisting
     
  15. Steve Magnusson

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    Yes, that's the correct operational procedure for the User to get cooling (and have the AC Compressor engage), but it also requires that the high/low pressure switch at the dryer to be closed (i.e., it requires there is enough refrigerant in the system). Use a jumper wire to connect the two terminals at the high/low pressure switch (simulating a closed high/low pressure switch) to see if that gets the compressor to engage, or not. If it does engage with the jumper in place = either no refrigerant or bad high/low pressure switch (and looking at the sight glass window on the dryer with the compressor engaged should let you confirm/deny if any refrigerant is flowing). If it doesn't engage with the jumper in place = some other electrical Gremlin, bad input sensor, or a bad AC ECU. Do you have a copy of the TR WSM for the input sensor tests shown in Section H (IIRC)?

    PS When you say: "The AC compressor will not come on" -- do you just mean that you don't get cold air to come out, or are you actually measuring something at the AC compressor EM clutch?
     
  16. Bucci

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    Great info. Actually I am using my ears and other senses to confirm the AC is not working also the seller told me it wasn’t. I have turned the dial all the way cold but was wondering if a certain button needed to be engaged.. Pretty sure you don’t.. I certainly agree the issue is probably a leak that triggered the pressure switch. Always follow the bread crumbs.. I’ll give it a jump and see what we can rule out. Tks
     
  17. Bucci

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    Pretty munched pressed them all I believe.
     

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