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Any 360's at 150K miles on original engine & transmission yet?

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  1. dreamcarswest

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    #1 dreamcarswest, Jan 17, 2016
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    So a few years ago there were some threads about 360's going north of the 75,000 mile mark - I have over 90,000 miles on my Spider. Yes, it has had a lot of service over the years but it runs and shifts as strong as the day I bought it and I'm still on the first engine and transmission. Just wondering if anyone is at 150K or even 200K yet.
     
  2. dreichman

    dreichman Formula Junior

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    Great question, should be interesting.
     
  3. Masher44

    Masher44 F1 World Champ

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    Yes. I know of two 430s on original clutch over 75k. It's all about how and where you drive it.

    Engine will last for a long ass time. Trans will as well. Dont use reverse and don't rip out of the hole.
     
  4. DonJuan348

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    My question is , why do people doubt these cars car reach 150+? Most people service these cars much more frequently than their daily driver along with using synthetic fluids.

    There are not many Ferraris with over 100k of any model. I doubt if anyone chimes in with over 100

    115km and loving it ...
     
  5. vrsurgeon

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    I've "only" got 60255 miles on mine.. starts and runs flawlessly!
     
  6. Rifledriver

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    Highest I have seen was 130k miles on a carefully used and well maintained 360 before rod bearing failure. Earlier cars went further but they were far lower stressed.

    Have heard of many rod bearing failures on high mile 360 motors.

    If I had one I'd be putting bearings in it at 100k.
     
  7. Keith360

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    I think there is doubt because few are driven in this way. Most of us like having a newish looking car to drool on in the garage with a few thrill rides along the way. I have no doubt that my 360 would last my expected years in length and then some given good maintenance. In my short ownership, 90k is the highest mileage I've seen on a 360 and the testimony is on this thread.
     
  8. greyboxer

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    What rubbish - last February's 360 mileage thread (http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/476225-how-many-miles-too-much.html) had at least one beyond 100 000 miles and almost every other section has them too from 308 to 456

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/360-430-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/420615-100-000-miles-my-360-a.html

    I suspect the higher mileage owners are too busy using to chime in every time this gets asked !
     
  9. Gated

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    What is a rod bearing?
     
  10. 430b

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    The metal bearing that is between the connecting rod and crankshaft journals. It's oiled and allows rotation around the crank as it turns. Worn or 'spun' bearings can damage the crank and produce knocking.
     
  11. rmani

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    How much does a rod bearing cost to replace
     
  12. 430b

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    Remove engine
    Disassemble shortblock
    Size and replace bearings/polish crank
    Reassemble shortblock
    Reinstall engine

    $10-15k?
     
  13. DonJuan348

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    #13 DonJuan348, Jan 18, 2016
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    Can't you drop pan and replace the bearing from bottom ?
     
  14. 430b

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    You need to remove the crankshaft. The crank snout extends through a front cover to spin the balancer and has the flywheel and trans on the other side. It would be harder to remove all that with the engine in the mounts than to just pull the motor.
     
  15. Rifledriver

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    Huh?
     
  16. 430b

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    You could possibly remove the pan and remove the rod caps and push the rods up and slip some new bearings in, but I'd only do that on an old beater. Odds are the crank will need to be polished with resized bearings anyways.
     
  17. Rifledriver

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    Remove pan, roll bearings in. Done before dinner.
     
  18. 430b

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    Is that standard practice with the 360/430?

    I've never had one of these motors apart, but the only people I've seen use that approach are the guys running junkyard chevy LS motors in boosted builds. Just seems odd in a Ferrari.
     
  19. Ingenere

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    Really?
     
  20. 2NA

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    LOL!

    A messy job.
     
  21. gandalfthegray.

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    Brian, what is a ballpark number on cost?

    I just did this on a 12.7 Detroit Series 60 @ $1600.
     
  22. 2NA

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    You certainly could take everything apart, put it on a stand and go through everything if you want. Assuming that the crankshaft is still within spec, replacing bearing shells can be a fairly easy way to roll back the clock.
     
  23. Rifledriver

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    Been getting done in big diesels as SOP for a very long time and if anyone thinks they are any less critical than the lower end of a Ferrari motor they are just clueless.
     
  24. jackgt

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    loaned my Cat to a neighbor who did not know what an engine knock is. Had to take the crank out. anytime you can just push the old bearing out and put a new one in is the way to go!!!!
     
  25. Rifledriver

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    #25 Rifledriver, Jan 19, 2016
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    Ferrari cranks are nitrided and harder than a whores heart. The reason to do it at 100k is to do it before crank damage is done. The idea is not to make a like new motor but to get it to last until the pistons/rings and cylinders are likewise worn out and I can assure you, that will not be an additional 100k miles on average.
     

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