Anyone do a Eurotek 360 ECU upgrade?

Show me the dyno results, and I'll buy for the 360! Thanks. Tim

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Phil over at Eurotek said it's a hassle and it requires the chip being desoldered with.

The 360 that's being dyno'd is coming along slowly on the 14th it's scheduled to get a dyno with the stock reading and the ECU should be sent out shortly.

Regards,
Kevin

 

I am soooo looking forward to seeing the dyno results which will compare engine output of a stock 360 with one that has been modified to include a Eurotek ECU performance upgrade. Thank you NAPerformance! We will want to see the following;

1) before and after dyno results on the SAME 360, NOT different cars, and on the SAME dynometer, NOT different dynometers

2) before and after HP and Torque at rear wheel, NOT HP and torque adjusted for drive train loss to yield HP and TQ at flywheel

3) before and after HP and Torque using the SAME specified Octane rating, be it 91, 93 or 94, NOT different octane ratings for the before versus after tests

4) before and after HP and Torque ALL ALONG the rpm band so we can discern the extent to which the ecu modification results in more torque at lower rpms (critical for acceleration).

I'm sure these specific requirements are well known to the Eurotek family and NAPerformance but its amazing to see the disputes over dyno results when one or more of the above four criteria are not honored.

I should also add that if we get to see a complete and honest reporting of before/after dyno results on the 360, it will be the FIRST time I will have experienced this in my past ownership of Porsches, BMWs and Ferraris.

And, as implied by others, if the results are convincing, I'm buying.

Cheers,
Shawsan
04-360 F1 Modena

 

it will be interesting to see the results

 

1. We will be using the exact same car. It actually belongs to a member of ferrarichat.

2. All HP and Torque gains will be in rear wheel. No adjustments whatsoever will be made.

3. 93 octane will be used for both dynos.

4. Right you will get everything we have unmodified. No adjustments or tinkering will be made with the dynos. I have no reason to lie to anyone about a brand I carry. If they don't provide the gains they promise I'll still offer them at the correctly tested gains but after getting great feedback on them from the Maserati guys I don't think it'll be much of a problem.

 

Any results yet Kevin?

 

Yes, please post the dyno and story and Robert, any further driving impressions? I know you had a few dry days in Jan, but if it s like here, it has certainly been a really wet winter on the west coast.

 

No results yet, still working on getting everyone's schedules to line up. I'll know something next week since our test car is out of town until Monday.

 

Kevin
What was the group buy price for the ecu?
Would the map be different for stock airbox and exhaust over aftermarket (tubi & grouppe m)

Russell

 

Its a long time since mid Jan, is this going to happen or is it BS ?

 

This is looking like BS

 

I'm ready to buy. Just waiting for the dyno results. Tim

 

They have a perfect natural marketing opportunity and everyone disappears.......enquiring minds want to know......

 

I’d like to introduce myself. I am the manager for Eurotek’s new Florida facility. We have chosen to partner with Eurotek to offer their ECUs and other available upgrades to the public. At BGB Motorsports, we run a very serious and professional Porsche program in the Grand-Am series. We’ve been in the series since 2001 and starting a business to service the upper echelon of the road car market is something that we’ve been excited about for a long time. Our first and foremost goal was to establish the race operation. Now that we’re stable, we have more time to dedicate to the ECUs and the other desired products. We’ve been running Eurotek ECUs in our race cars for over two years now and have been very happy with their applications for the Bosch platform. I am enthusiastic to see such interest in their software engineering.

It is however a bit disconcerting though to see that one of our dealers has not followed up with all Ferrairchat.com members after making an offer in January. I sincerely apologize on Kevin’s behalf. I have not spoken to him. I hope all is well on his end as he usually is an active Ferrari chat member.

Phil has made verbal agreements with 3 sources to engage them in a before and after dyno testing for the Ferrari chat community. It appears that the winter up North and the holidays slowed things down. It could also be possible that it’s too difficult for some to clear their schedules.

With a lot on the development front and a lot going on with the launch of the new operation, everyone has been a lot busier than they thought. We have every intention of getting this testing done as soon as possible. I have looked into the possibility of even renting test cars in NY and Florida to do these dyno runs but the sources in NY for rental Ferrari’s are limited and liabilities are rather high.

I'd like to extend an offer to any FerrariChat.com member to be a participant immediately for testing and contribution. We would help with dyno arrangements depending on your location. We will perform all the software tuning for a cost of $2500 and cover the fees for the dyno testing itself. This is important for us because it’s clear that interested parties want credible dyno evidence. So let’s make it happen.

Neccesary test vehicles:

1999-2004 360 Modena
2004 360 Modena CS
2002-2004 575M
2005 F430

In order to show the full potential of the mapping we’re requesting 93 and up octane users that have an upgraded sports exhaust. For those that do not have a BMC air filter, we can supply for testing purposes.

At this time I will be handling the group buy directly so contact me directly with any questions or concerns. Serious inquiries only please as we’re expecting a lot of interest.


We look forward to working with the remaining enthusiast on the board and adding more Ferrari chat members to our community.

 

here we go guys

 

pm sent...

 

This is fantastic! I can't wait to see the results. Tim

 

I will do a dyno pull (3) before and after. I live in Nashville, TN and if the weather is ok on Friday I will be doing a pre Eurotek dyno pull. On Monday I will send my CS cpu's out to Eurotek for the upgrade. Once I get them back I will do another dyno pull. The only bad thing will be a week will pass from the pre to post cpu dyno pulls. If weather is bad this week I will wait only a few days to get this done.
I have 5800 miles on my CS with a Tubi NGT and Hyper-Flow cats. I will start a new thread as soon as I have the first Dyno pulls done.

 

Thanks to John Tecce of BGB Motorsport/Eurotek Designs for addressing the interests of 360/550 owners in learning more about the bona fide HP and Torque gains associated with a Eurotek ECU upgrade. And thanks to JGTCNSX for volunteering his 360CS for pre- and post dyno runs, with and without the Euroteck software.

As one of the interested 360 owners, I stressed the importance earlier in this thread of honoring the following when doing the pre and post dyno runs;

1) before and after dyno results on the SAME 360, NOT different cars, and on the SAME dynometer, NOT different dynometers

2) before and after HP and Torque at rear wheel, NOT HP and torque adjusted for drive train loss to yield HP and TQ at flywheel

3) before and after HP and Torque using the SAME specified Octane rating, be it 91, 93 or 94, NOT different octane ratings for the before versus after tests

4) before and after HP and Torque ALL ALONG the rpm band so we can discern the extent to which the ecu modification results in more torque at lower rpms (critical for acceleration).

I'm sure this is familiar stuff, but it's amazing how much dyno results are disputed if/when one or more of the conditions above are not in place.

Having said the above, John has now mentioned he wants trial 360s and 550s with (i) an aftermarket sports exhaust, and (ii) a BMC filter. Ok, fine, so we'll get before and after dyno results -- at rear wheel -- with these two modifications in place. But this raises a question for 360 owners who don't have, and may not want, such modificaitons. What performance advantage does EUROTEK attribute to having these two modifications with its ECU upgrade. How much will they increase the ECU gains over stock alone. And, on the flip side, is there any reason to expect the ECU modification won't work (or work well) without the sport exhaust and BMC filter?

I'm sure John and EUROTEK specialists have insights into these questions and I'd welcome hearing their opinions.

Cheers, Paul
04-360 F1 Modena

 

post up dyno sheets or your all frauds period...

 

yeah, really, the whole months long story with lots of promises and no results is getting very old

 

It is so ironic that only a handful of you guys are carrying on. I have seen similar postings years back on 996 boards over ECU tuning. I have tried them all and never did they produce the claimed 1.2 bar or more of PSI. And you know what look how successful firms such as GIAC are selling mediocre programming. They post Dyno charts all over the web. Is it the low price that makes them so popular? Absolutely they turned a Porsche market into a Vw/Audi market.

Regardless of when they do the testing that everyone here is nagging about I can assure you people will always use them and most of the critics will leave their cars alone no matter what. Maybe it’s the price factor or something that Kevin at NA Performance just couldn’t manage for you guys and he had given up. I follow NA's posts and he keeps on top of things but this time just faded away. It would be nice to see Kevin reply to my thought on this here.
I have nothing but praise for Eurotek and will continue to use them for all my cars since their products work and their professionalism is second to none. This must be the reason Ferrari dealers recommend them.

 

WOW! I have to say that I’m pretty shocked at the responses I’ve seen in the short period I’ve watched this board. I do apologize that I don't have the time to post replies to all. Those that have sent me emails did get replies though.

After reading posts like the one above I want to make sure everyone understands me on something. The Eurotek application isn’t the cheapest, nor is it even averagely priced, but in a worst case scenario it’s managed to at least perform at the levels of everyone else’s ECU maps. We originally went with the Eurotek application because I wanted a map done that was tailored exactly for our setup on our Porsches. At the time we had a stock intake, 100 octane fuel with stock headers and a muffler. No other vendor was going to give me a unique map. They wanted my money, wanted to give me the same program they did for some guy’s street car and that was that. The whole reason we’ve embarked on this is because I was pretty disappointed with prior experiences with ECU programmers.

These are the cold hard facts: our programming comes with a money back guarantee; not one of our Ferrari customers has EVER asked for their money back; and I don’t see any other manufacturer willing to spend the money to put together a dyno analysis specifically for these cars. It’s not that easy to find someone that wants you putting unnecessary stress from a chassis dyno on their car after they’re already happy with the product.

I don’t want anyone to get the impression that we don’t want to work with them but let’s be honest. No one is holding a gun to your head to have your ECU remapped. If you think you can do better we’d love to know about it for our own development. We’re a business that is offering to do advanced programming for something that other people don’t have the technology or the know-how for. Again, please don’t think that we don’t want to work with all of you. But the “how long does it take do a simple dyno run” and the fraud accusations are pretty weak. I don’t know what was discussed before about a dyno analysis. I know that Phil has been working on it. I’ve been staffed on this for about 2 days and I’m working on putting together the dyno analysis. When you see me post the results you’ll know it’s been done. Until then wait patiently please.

 

I agree with BGB and that being said I can not get my ECU’s reprogrammed fast enough. I have an FCA event this weekend and if I am lucky enough I will be doing it with my newly mapped ECU’s. If you refer to the Eurotek website you can see a map that should be enough information for any car owner to make the first step which is to have the reprogramming done. With a 100% money back guarantee and testimonials that support the product fully I am not sure why people just do not try it. If you like it you keep it and if you do not you get your money back! I have spoken to two people who have done the reprogramming to their CS’s and they can’t say enough good things about the product. Again if I am lucky I will have it finished by this weekend and if so I will let everyone know how GREAT it is!!

 

with Hyper flow Cats and BMC filters, it does give 9,000 RPM and some more mid range torque in response to 98 Octane European fuel but am not fully convinced it gives significantly more BHP at higher revs, lets see