what time will we find out for those of us on eastern time?
BS There's no link. If there is one I would have read it before now. I've been reading Autosport, F1, Pitpass and Motorsport.com since after the winter break and never ONCE read anything about Renault saying they spoke to the FIA about this. So dig it up. I'm happy to say I'm wrong when I am, as I have in the past, but I'm confident there isn't any proof of this before this week. Talk about double standard. You talk about conjecture and then roll out this?
The F1 site says the decision is expected on Wednesday afternoon - You're 5 hours earlier than that, so should be around noon your time. Having said that, they've often made announcements ahead of schedule - The hearing is going on right now and I wouldn't surprised if something is announced late tonight their time. The "great diffuser debate" poll here turned out to be about 80% "legal" btw..... We'll see. Cheers, Ian
Brawn hopes common sense will prevail, so do I. The FIA technical dept has approved it and 2 sets of stewards have agreed with it. There is an objection to the technical process as I'am aware, which apparently is a very complex matter. In other words: IF Ross smirks when Max tells him that his rear end is causing the problem, and it needs addressing. It will be deemed illegal.
As far as I see it, the diffusors themselves might be quite legal. The holes through which they get their air are the point. It's a bit like if you build a garage without a building permit, your neighbours don't like it and protest. The local authorities then find out that the garage itself is in a grey area but acceptable, but the door is against long accepted rules, and a garage without a door is useless. Same with the diffusor and the holes.
No, it becomes a carport which is still very useful. Especially in places where golf ball size hail happens. A very poor analogy, IMO.
Don't know if this link works across the waters but... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7999068.stm Basically it's a reporter trying to ask Brawn how it went in the hearing, he wouldn't give anything away, but he didn't seem to happy, hard to tell. Renault have stated with a few others that they have new diffusers ready to go. Rory Byrne Ferrari's Chief Designer seems the main one complaining however he stated he is still friends with RB...ermmmm.
I think a lot of the guys who have been in the business for a while have found themselves more than once in the same and then in different teams and can keep their friendship over the problems their teams have..
Maybe, but when Ferraris lawyer says of Brawn "only a man of supreme arrogance could think they were right and the majority was wrong", it's not very friendly. I actually think it's pretty crap of Ferraris' lawyer to behave that way. It's one thing to disagree and argue the merits, but to attack the man personally is low and uncalled for. Tozzi is a tosser. F him.
...for what is Worth...I dont think the FIA and Bernie are inclined to say "yes, they are against the rules, most be changed/ removed/redesigned ASAP", when they know for a FACT that the fight for the Drivers and Constructors will have us all watching the last meter of these series, given the initial advantage BRAWN and the others have made. I find it hard to believe that they will make the small teams spend 20 million more THEY DONT HAVE, on developing the legal diffuser... I cant wait to know for sure, but I find it very very very hard to think it otherwise... Damn why is it taking so long to break the news? Daddy are we there yet?
Let's just hope they rule in favour of Brawn, Toyota and Williams - if they don't F1 will be seen in such a bad light. I love it that these less successful teams are p***ing off the big boys!
+1, 100% agreed...totally uncalled for... Tozzi is after something...make him look cheater maybe?...is the "spirit of the rule" so blurry they need this? cant the technical scrutiny just rule it out? Damn it must be hot in there...
You maybe right, that makes sense, but what's sense in this sport! They have decided but they are not releasing the info till later on Wed, they must have taken a tip from hyped up X factor shows keep em waiting...oh the drama Max your killing me you clown. BTW I reckon nearly all the teams have new diffusers ready to go, money already spent..
F1 will be seen in a bad light for holding up their rules on a very loose interpretation by 3 teams? Come on guys, do you realize what this is going to cause? It's completely against the spirit of the new rules and as much as I hate to see it go against Brawn and in particular Williams, it must be ruled illegal.
A continuance of close racing, excitement and upset of the status quo? Youre right why would we ever want that?
The close racing isn't with the cars that have the new diffusers, it's with the cars that don't. The 3 teams with the diffusers run off like McLaren and Ferrari did last year. While the rest of the cars are in the middle to back of the field. Haven't you thought that maybe these new diffusers upset the air behind the cars like the old cars?
How do you figure it's 'completely against the spirit of the rules'??? 3 teams didn't all decide to break the rules together. They all independently came up with the idea. If it was one team, fine, but three? To rule them illegal just because three smart guys were more on their game than 7 not-as-smart guys would be a travesty. The mass dampers were a huge advantage and conceived of by one team. The brake ducts were conceived by one team. The expandable front wing was conceived by two teams. Why does a minority imply unfairness? It doesn't.
Hey, look. I'm happy for Brawn and especially Williams. I'm happy to see closer racing, but we can't break the rules just because the underdog team needs a leg up.
The rules are what the FIA says the rules are on any given day. There is intentional ambiguity written into the specs. In a case like this there is no "correct" answer and it will be decided on the basis of what is in the best interest of the sport. In other words what's best for business.
The rules haven't been broken. It's been ruled on twice now, both times showing the diffusers are legal.
