Are we going to be nuked at election time?

It is the christian thing to do......

Like instead of taking away our rights (patriot act), the govenrment goes out and actually tries to enforce imigration laws?

Even the ones who are inocent?

But this would impoverish all the bushies.....

It is also how we get gasoline--unless you want $4.00 gas, you have no choice right now.

Bingo, we (the US government) have made a pact with the devil, and payment is due.

You know, if we (the US government again) did not use our military to defend our sales people in selling sex, drugs, and rock and roll to foreigners; AQ would not be attacking us.

Anyone else notice, that we are spending more money of missile defense than on this war, and that the Russians have already tested a warhead delivery system that makes our surrent missile defense system irrelevent. But the real crime of all of this is that warheads will not be coming on missiles but on ocean going ships.

The terrorist money comes from rich people, bushies don't want to hurt rich people.

You mean <gasp> like we are fighting the war on drugs^^^^ourselves?

I assume you are meaning actual citizens?

The nazis tried this also--see Crystal Nitche

Then Bush does not stand a chance: no common sense

 

As the father of a soon-to-be 17-year old son, I do mean "we" in a very personal sense. And everytime I read about someone dying in Iraq or where ever, a small piece of me dies.

Take care, Dale

 

Wrong, WE are Americans.

 

We are Americans but YOU and I aren't riding in a Humvee wondering if that piece of trash on the right over there is about to explode.

You have your opinion, I have mine.

 

mitch, i guess you and i are on different planets. your hatred for bush is keeping you from seeing anything from a logical perspective. back off of the hatred a little and try to see things as they are because many of your statements are as off-base as kdross'

 

Ditto. You brought up the Nazis, well all of Europe, save the British, wanted to cave in and give Hitler anything and everything he wanted... and look where that got them. Before long they were all eating spatzli and knockwurst while their women were being defiled and their Jews shipped off the HELL on earth. Pacifism and appeasement and trying to "understand the other guy's feelings" and all that other liberal, dove drivel does not work. They want to use guns, well we NEED to show them that our guns are the biggest, baddest and best on the planet and they WILL KEEP ON COMING (no pun intended)!!!!!!!!!

 

Yes, the US is not Spain. I understand the Spaniards feelings, but they did seem to give Al Q 100% of what they wanted. Talk about positive reinforcement. If Al Q did try a pre election terror strike (and it seems likely) I doubt the US would react the same way. The thought may well be if they hate Bush that much that they want him OUT, we want him IN.

 

I have a solution.... everybody come to Brasil.... we are nuke free !!!! so far....

 

The Spanish election just reinforced the notion that political goals can be be achieved by well timed terrorist methods.

DC or NY in October are now more dangerous places.

 

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kdross: we can't deport everybody that doesn't hold a usa passport and we shouldn't want to since this is no way of assuring our security and we would lose many good people who do contribute to our society in a positive way. we also can't embargo oil from all muslim countries or our economy would go up in smoke. we are 50pct of the worlds oil consumption, and if you disrupted the supply chain and forced us to buy outside of the normal (economic) routes we would be paying more like $6/gl at the pump.

Ross. I agree for the most part but what we can do is go back and scrutinise these people to make sure they are not engaged in terrorist activity and we can cut down on our dependance on oil by embracing technologies such as Hydrogen fuel cells, Nuclear power, ect. Right now we are being a bit complacent about this IMO. We all need to invest in our countries future by getting behind these things. One of the best ways to change the politics of any situation is to change the economics of it! No doubt if we suddenly took all thier oil revenues away they would certainly be in a more cooporative mood.

 

agreed barton. and the best way we can do that is to make the next automotive purchase a hybrid car. hydro cell tech is many years off, but more importantly the distibution of hydrogen is decades away.

if only 10pct of the US fleet of cars were hybrid, we would reduce our consumption of oil by about 2-5pct. and this is the very important 5pct because in the oil biz, its the last 5pct that sets the price. the price of fuel would rop by at least 10pct and maybe more.

if the US fleet was 20pct hybrid, then the price would drop more like 20-30pct of where it is today.
and if you went to hybrid/diesels as opposed to the hybrid gasoline cars, you would double all of these gains.

there is currently a federal tax break of about $2000 if you buy a hybrid, this is availabel for the next 3 years but diminishes every year. this subsidy needs to be upped and repeated, and then everybody needs to think long and hard about buying one - hey even mercedes is making one for 2005 so they aren't bad. and 50-100mpg never hurt anybody except opec !

 

Garetto said - "I would like to remind you that the people of Spain strongly opposed the government taking part in Irak war. By 'strongly' I mean the biggest ever demonstrations to date showing that Spaniards were fully against any kind of militar intervention in Irak. All media also against interevention, I would say more than 99% of the Spanish people were against the war. Even Aznar voters were! So this was possibly one of the clearest examples of a government ignoring people's voice in a modern democracy.

You cannot dissappoint the public opinion in such a great extent and in such an important matter as a war and then simply hope they forget about it in the next elections. Not to mention other domestic mistakes."

I have to disagree w/ you Garretto, because from everything I read, the Popular Party was on its way to certain victory four days before the election, notwithstanding the demonstrations last year you mentioned.
CNN.com is currently running a story w/ the following quote - "Internal tracking polls predicted last Wednesday that the PP would win, but Thursday's terrorist attacks in the capital changed everything, one analyst said."

IMHO, which is worth nothing - I am not a Spanish voter - the cause-and-effect relationship of the bombing and the outcome of the election for the Socialists is as certain as the relationship between a light switch and a light bulb.

 

I continue to read posts that describe why Al Qada hate us and wants to destroy us (the USA) because: they want all the world to be like them, or they just hate our freedom, or they want to rule the world, etc., etc, Most of these descriptions came from the news agencies reporting what Bush et al have said. Ossama Bin Laden grew up in Sadia Arabia. He came from a very rich family with direct ties to the royals. The Saudi royals have supported the fanatic teachings in Saudia by the fanatic fundamentalist who keep Saudi Arabia as the most backward country in the Mid East. Iraq was paradise in comparison.

Ossama did not want to become a business man like his father and the rest of his clan. After being brainwashed at the religous schools funded by Saudi arabia (read by the USA) he decided to go fight the Russians in Afganistan. His religous training taught him it was his "duty" to repel the invaders from Muslem lands. The USA taught him how to make bombs and plan attacks. he has stated many times that he did not (at that time) have any hatred toward the USA (he probably did not like us though).

Then we chose to repel Iraq from Kuwait. To do so meant placing infadel troops on sacred ground. That is why he hates us and the Royal Family and anybody else that invades and stays in Arab (muslum) land.

Ossama was trained to kill by the USA. He was trained to hate by Saudi Arabia. 15 of the 911 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, they got their money, visas, help to get into our country all from Saudi Arabia (much of it directly from the Royal family.

Now it apears that we are pulling our troops out of Saudia.

My question, since it is quite clear that Saudi Arabia was the breeding ground for these crazys why don't we have a regime change there????

Bob

 

It's interesting that you said that Ross. My Daughter has been lobbying me to replace her Eclipes with a hybrid. She wants it for environmental reasons but Maybe it is a good idea for both reasons!

 

barton, then i would currently go for a toyota prius. the new one is great!

 

Have you researched the prius? why is it better than the others? How much are these things? How does it work? Is there infrastructure issues?

 

I have not done the math, but I heard that the attack in Spain was 911 days after 911. If so, what's the next date patern that we should look out for?

 

I agree with you there Art.

 

That's a very good question Bob, and one I raised a long time ago on the old board. From what I understand (and I am by no means an expert on the situation) the reason America gives the Saudis a "free pass" on many issues can be summarized by the saying "Better the devil you know".

I have read that the House of Saud is living on borrowed time and needs to be propped up by the West in order to avoid (delay) their being overthrown by the really radical fundamentalist Wahhabists etc.

Everyone knows how corrupt they are and everyone knows that they basically "pay off" the Wahhabists et al by financing their madrases where the virulent, "kill all the infidels" brand of Islam is hammered into impressionable minds.

This is done to protect the West's supply of oil and the multi-billion dollar investment in the infrastructure for oil.

Unfortunately, as is inevitably the case, appeasement only works for so long and eventually the chickens always come home to roost.

The whole thing scares the crap out of me.

Regards,
Joe

 

And you make this statement based upon WHICH facts? Quit buying into the John Kerry, Terry "McAuliffe" spin machine.

 

I agree with that statement. Spot on.

 

The false pretense was popularly known as Weapons of Mass Destruction or WMDs. We've owned Irac for a year and found none, yet beofre the war, we said we knew where they were. Hahahahahahaha.

 

Excellent analysis Bob! It is posts like yours that renews my faith in the human race.

What you said has been obvious to me for a long time. Then why is it so hard for people/media/politicians to see that Soudi Arabia is the real cluprit? Surely these people are more politically astute than me (us). I guess these morons are more concerned that it has been 911 days since the WTC bombing than to worry about the root cause. This whole thing makes my blood boil.

As DrTax said, "follow the money trail." Lo and behold, is that rotten Saudi Arabia that benefits when islam spreads its tantacles. grrrrrr.....

 

That may or may not be true but the fact still remains that Sadam had to go. Now I know you guys will come back with "yea but all those poor innocent people did not need to die" or something like that or maybe you will say they should have overthrown him on thier own. Sorry to say they would have lost five times as many people trying to do this on thier own as he just happened to have one of the largest armies in the region! At least with our help the casualties were kept to a minimum and they are all better off for it! When are you guys going to get over the election and acknowledge the fact that they finally have a shot at Democracy over there. They would likely never have known what freedom was like if we had not done what we did. If anyone would like to argue wether or not the world is a better place without Sadam, go ahead but it is starting to get a bit old arguing about the WMD issue. That is over and done with, now its time to focus on achieving our goals over there which is to establish a Democracy were there was none before! Get over it already!