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Discussion in 'Australia' started by Steve355F1, Oct 23, 2014.

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  1. kerrari

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    But got it very close in 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024... There were no figures on Trump in the leadup to 2016. I only look at the APPROVAL polls, not the (proposed) VOTING polls.
     
  2. simon klein

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    For thse doing SFA at the moment the movie length doco Spitfire is on SBS world movies ..about 10 minutes in.
     
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  4. I16

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    Lord Howe again!
    Sea Fury14 what a beast...

     
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  5. simon klein

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    Very sexy,I compared it with the Focke Wulf 190..very similar.
     
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    The Mk IX Spitfire with the yellow leading edge on the wings is for sale ................ just in case you're looking for one???? !!!
     
  7. Ferraridoc

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    Take an offer?
     
  8. Steve355F1

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    I’ve been saving up for it for a while

    Should have enough by 2195
     
  9. Gleggy

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    Plus some extra hours on tail draggers before delivery.
     
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  10. Ferraridoc

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    So I watched the footage of the Air India crash on the morning news. Being an Air Crash Investigations tragic, I noticed something. To all the pilots out there (well, Steve and Gary), it looked like the flaps weren't deployed and the gear was still down. So, I'm betting pilot error.
     
  11. simon klein

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    Yep to all that.
    I would like to know at what height is the gear usually raised?..The aircraft had only reached a height of 600ish feet
     
  12. Gleggy

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    Overloaded??
    Wind shear??
    Loss of engine power??
    Did the pilot start his take off run with not enough black stuff in front of him??
    It looks very sluggish just after rotation. Gear up will be as soon as speed and climb rate has been achieved to get "clean" asap, then the leading edge slats and flaps will be retracted to reduce even more drag.
     
  13. simon klein

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    Apparently yes,but then there was the 'dip' as it was still climbing.
    Anyhoo none of us are pilots soo.....
     
  14. Ferraridoc

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    Well, I have to put up with Dr Google, I imagine that there's a Dr Pilot
     
  15. simon klein

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    Well yeah but it's different here as we have two 'proper' pilots on here.....there is a difference you know :D
     
  16. Ferraridoc

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    And only so-called doctors :(
     
  17. simon klein

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    Umm yeah derr.....
     
  18. Steve355F1

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    #8295 Steve355F1, Jun 13, 2025
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    With the caveat that obviously I fly a bizjet, not an airliner, the usual thing is
    “Positive rate, gear up” meaning as soon as a positive rate of climb is achieved the gear comes up.
    Usually within a few seconds of rotation.

    Then, once we get to 400’, select “Flight Level Change” on the autopilot, engage the autopilot (this also reduces power from take off power to max continuous), check speed, and provided it’s at least V2+25kt - flaps up.
    This whole sequence takes place extremely quickly.

    Then wait in that configuration till 1500’ AGL, accelerate to normal climb speed and away you go.
     
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  19. Steve355F1

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    So, that said, it is unusual for the gear to still be down during this accident sequence.
    There has been speculation about whether takeoff flaps were raised accidentally instead of the gear while the aircraft was still too slow.

    It’s impossible to know for now.

    It also looks like a total loss of engine power occurs only a few seconds after liftoff.

    The reason for that I have no idea, but on the available evidence it doesn’t look like a bird strike to me.
     
  20. Ferraridoc

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    There's another shot of it taking off and it still looked like the flaps weren't deployed, although I don't know how it even got off the ground in that case
     
  21. Steve355F1

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    Some level of flaps must have been deployed during the takeoff or they would have had a “No Takeoff” warning.

    That footage is why people have speculated about the flaps being raised instead of the gear at “positive rate”.
    That would certainly result in a sinking episode, but according to my mates in the know there should have still been enough thrust available to get out of it provided the pilots went straight to max thrust.

    The footage from behind seems to show a sudden total loss of power.
    Much more than you’d expect from a mistake re flaps and gear.
     
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  22. Ferraridoc

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    Yeah, I wouldn't have thought that such a modern aircraft would allow improper configuration before take-off. I can't think of how both engines could lose power, either. Curiouser and curiouser
     
  23. simon klein

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    Great reply thanx Steve.
     

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