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Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by riverflyer, Apr 29, 2016.

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  1. MogulBoy

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    Or a Truck Load of Cash? ;)
     
  2. Newman

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    Nothing wrong with the wiring that remains and with a different engine than original there are wires that won't get used so Ill remove as required. Whatever needs extending will have a solder and shrink tube repair then hidden inside the new factory looking sheathing.
     
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    #131 Newman, Jan 3, 2017
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    Took the heads off the damaged turbo testarossa engine that came out of it. Left bank had detonation on all 6 cylinders, number 7 and 12 got it the most. The 7 and 12 combustion chambers got pretty hot and heavily eroded. O-ringed liners had a couple of blown rings hanging into the cylinders.

    Last pic is from the right bank. All 6 are nice on the right side.

    Considering programming sets injector on times equally and timing applies to all 12 as well I can only assume the left bank was lean from the fuel system or runs hotter due to engine design.
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  7. riverflyer

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    Paul, I am so thankful for your expertise and caring contribution to this project.
    This is especially welcome after having entrusted the project to some shops that were not as "caring", shall we say!
    Looking forward to this coming together with the 512M motor. I already know the Ohlin suspension drives like a dream and that the custom headers and exhaust sound awesome.
    I am very confident its going to be a wonderful driving car with some serious "jump" to it.

    And a looker as well.
     
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    Fantastic attention to detail :)
     
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    Those are some crusty heads!
    This is going to be a neat car soon.
     
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    You have too much time on your hands lol
     
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    Thanks John, it's a cool project for sure. Looking forward to the shake down.
     
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    #139 Newman, Jan 5, 2017
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    Ive never seen an alternator charge properly without anything to regulate it. Note silicone filling regulator plug hole. Anyone care to explain how this could possibly work? Am I missing something? This car was being used on the street prior to the engine failure.
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    I don't know about Canada, but here in the USA there's too much DOT regulation as is.
    Not sure about voltage though...
     
  16. Newman

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    We got off lighter. My 79 BB came into Canada new and had no mods.
     
  17. ago car nut

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    Could some one converted it to a one wire alternator?( which I would never use). I believe they replace the regulator coil with a permanent magnet. You have to rev them above 1200 rpm to get them to charge on start up. Poor way for charging system to eliminate a few wires IMHO.
     
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    Paul did you open it? The regulator must have an internal wire that read the voltage from the battery ouput wire. Just like it's done on the old Delco 10si but was done from the outside. Just guessing.
     
  19. Newman

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    Agreed it could be modified but theres no other wire anywhere and Ive never seen one work that way. I planned to use the M alternator anyway so Im going to open this one up and see whats been done or better yet drop it at the alternator rebuilder I use and have him throw it on his test bench and spin it up first.
     
  20. Newman

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    So it turns out it's a self exciting regulator so hook up is indeed one wire. I must be living under a rock having not heard of this before. Problem is if it sits for periods of time the magnetic effect is lost and spinning it won't energize it again. That's exactly the case here because I just had it tested and it has no output.
     
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    Could it be possible that the left bank was runningn more boost hence the detonation there.
     
  22. Newman

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    Possible if the waste gates weren't set the same, no way to tell now though but it came down to engine management not a defective engine build.
     
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    Test fitting the engine and headers. The headers were custom made for the turbo application with slip fit collectors much closer to the turbos up top which wouldn't work on this application. So I cut some length off the headers and added the slip fit 2 into 1 collectors where you see them. Ill be cutting the flanges off both and welding on a new section of pipe once the muffler is installed. The main thing here was to establish with the lower placement of the engine I didn't have frame to header problems. Ill double check clamshell to intake clearance before making the engine mounts.

    With the testarossa style exhaust manifold arrangement Ill be able to lower the car a lot and still retain great ground clearance.
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  25. riverflyer

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    Paul, that is a thing of beauty! And great job on the windshield seal, another well done piece.
     

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