Brawn: F1 could go all electric

I understand your point, however IMO that is true for a small percentage of the market. A person who drives a Corolla or a Clio doesn't care much about individuality.

Once we can't drive inside the cities without being in a EV (the signs are all there - see Diesel!) or autonomous vehicle (managed by an AI grid), humans will have find new ways of individuality.

If the majority of cars get autonomous, the use efficiency will improve substantially (less idle time - our cars are used maybe 5% of the time only), so the need for automobiles will be MUCH lower. Market will shrink immensely.
Also the number of roads where we can drive in a spirited manner will be reduced in the opposite way the autonomous vehicle start to be the norm.

I think we are really in the verge of a huge disruption that goes much deeper than our current doubts if an Hybrid vehicle is more or less cost efficient. We are speaking of a complete new industry almost. And maybe the key features on a car won't be performance or style anymore. Its disturbing.

Think about it...we can't even drive loud cars at the track anymore

 

The only one I want is a millennium falcon, otherwise, I’ll get by with my Ferrari’s and the rest

 

When aircraft needed more power,range and reliability they went with turbines. Bring on turbines in F1 and forget about electrics that cant make 100 miles when its cold outside.

 

Oh well, when that happens, I will live in the world of vintage racing. And I will continue to drive my vintage cars as long as I can legally.

 

By the time the ICE engine is abandoned by F1, most of those doom-mongers complaining about an electric future and the 'old days' will be dead. F1 only needs to focus on remaining relevant to a newer, younger audience to whom electric cars are the norm.

So far they are doing a terrible job but they have time to fix that.

 

All-electric will never come to F1. I do find it amusing the FE thinks they will exist in 2039, or whatever. I think Brawn was hinting that in 5 years/10 years, IF there was an interest, F1 COULD go all-electric, as FE would no longer exist as an entity.

Frankly, I believe electric cars are nothing more than a fad, as they were 100 years ago. Simply can not replace the functionality of the ICE for the vast majority of ICE users. The real future is Hydrogen. But, that's a discussion for another decade (or 5).

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence, if you were my doctor I’d already have given up sunbeam! Hehehe

Electric cars the norm? Yeah, right, when’s that then? Cos for it to happen, there has to be a massive overhaul of the power grids in the UK, let alone the US where your grid is very much a lower power version than the UKs higher voltage affair. The hairy women will have to let us all build nuclear stations to produce the electric, and of course, the cost of electric will need to get frozen, but then, how will governments replace the tax revenue they get from petrol and diesel (in the UK, several 100% of the net cost of the fuel).

Then of course, manufacturers have to produce cars as good as 3 and 5 series BMWs or C and E class mercs for the masses at similar cost to the petrol and diesel versions today, and with battery tech still behind where it needs to be for range and long term performance, that’s not going to happen with the money they need to invest in research and development........ so unless future kids are going to drive G-Wizz or Nissan leafs, then I’d say the future is still petrol dominated for s long time yet.

Imagine those poor college jocks, no more turning up in their dads old bandit trans am or Camaro SS to impress the cheerleaders, they’ll be in some crappy looking Prius or Chevy Volt - coooollll, NOT. HEHEHEHE.

Still, hope it happens, as I’ll be there chasing those lovely young ladies in my ferrari or lamborghini, burning some carbon based go go juice while the jocks are working out whether to charge their iPhone or their car from the one socket in the garage! Awesome, sweet cheerleaders for Sid, everyone wins

 

Never before did I read so much crap in one single thread.
This place is called FERRARICHAT, I wonder what some ICE-haters do on a website like this.

 

I know, it’s a bit like the holier than thou ones that come on as harbingers of doom whenever we are discussing someone getting caught speeding that want to tell us how bad speed is, how they would never go above the limit and how dangerous we all are in fast cars.

Newsflash chaps, ferrari chat is full of fast drivers, ferrari fans and people commonly known as ‘petrolheads’ who love the ICE (when created by Ferrari of course). We aren’t all that interested in electric cars unless they sit on a slot car track and have Ferrari badges on them.

On that note, our local Scalectrix dealer has a sale on at the moment, and one of the cars for sale is a Hamilton Mercedes, along with a Nico version. I was tempted to buy the elton one just so I could purposely give him a bloody massive shunt off the end of my layout into a wall! Hehe

 

Same here!
We used to be the Polistil Racetrack guys, back in the gorgeous 70's. The whole neighbourhood came over to play! Those were the days.
As a matter of fact, these little racecars of that bygone era are the only electric cars I will have liked, tolerated and respected.

Ross Brawn, you once were a great man. By defending or even proposing F1 to be electric driven should result in you being banned for life in the town of Maranello.
Enzo turns in his Grave!

 

Good luck with that because you will be charged to enter towns/cities if you burn increasingly expensive 'go go juice' and will have ever dwindling options to refuel, as stations close and the jocks with 500 mile+ range electrics laugh at the old guy pushing his dinosaur down the street.The short term future will be rocky for both ICE engines and electrics, but beyond that ICE engines will be weekend joyrides only.

If you don't think Brawn and the new owners are contemplating that change and its impact on F1, I have some grade A swamp land for sale...

 

ginge82, would you please explain to the dinosaurs here, where you're gonna find electricity for 1,5 billion cars?

1.Solar energy? Have you heard about the environmental impact of building and recycling of solar panels and batteries?
2.Wind energy? Have you heard about the environmental impact of building and recycling of batteries?
3.Coal centrals? Have you heard about the environmental impact of coal?
4.Nuclear energy? Definitely the cleanest, apart of the radio-active waist. (Maybe it's an idea to dump it on your swamp?)

 

I have indeed heard of the environmental impact on the production of solar facilities/wind/tidal and nuclear and I have also read that it pales in comparison to that of oil and gas. That is why that technology is the future and the mass extraction and burning of toxic fossil fuels isn't.

Swamp still for sale...

 

Who wants to go 8nto towns and cities with their speed cameras etc? Anyhow, I don’t care how much it costs to run the cars, if I did, I certainly wouldn’t have Ferrari’s and Bentleys etc...... jeez.... killjoy or what?

Ross Brawn wants to destroy f1, let him, he goes down in my estimations every time he opens his mouth these days

 

I’ll buy one and throw environmentalist nutcases in with the alligators bud.... how much? Oh, and I’ll have jetboat races too! Fun

 

F1 will go all electric and much sooner than we expect. There are no ICE powered video games or computers or smart phones. The changes in younger generations' interest in the automobile is a sad fact. And the future F1 won't be teams and manufacturers racing each other, it will be audiences racing against F1 robots who can be programed to drive in the style of famous past champions or current movie heroes. It will not be cars racing, it will be video gaming. And it will cost less and bring in more profit. As for street cars, the EV vs ICE movement isn't about the technology, its about politics.

 

Perhaps. However they’re will always be a group that want fire breathing cylinders. If F1 changes so be it. There will be something else. Too many wealthy and powerful are petrol heads to let it die.

 

Here’s my track, although I’ve added another carousel since...... the zenith of electric cars
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A CV turbine that burned hydrogen to supply electricity and emitted water vapor would be pretty cool, IMO. With a motor for each wheel and torque vectoring, it could wipe out any ICE car.

A 2x2 electric motorcycle could also be amazing.

I'm just not all doom and gloom about it.

 

F1 not going all-electric says Todt

SEPTEMBER 6, 2018



Jean Todt has played down suggestions F1 could switch to an all-electric formula in the future.

Recently, Liberty Media sporting boss Ross Brawn said there is "nothing to stop" the pinnacle of motor racing following the lead of Formula E.

But FIA president Todt said that notion is "nonsense".

"That will not happen," said the Frenchman.

"We're talking about two completely different racing series. Formula E cars cannot develop the same speed as in formula one. It's one of the reasons the races are in the cities -- it would not be interesting to see them at Monza for example.

"However, Formula E is developing well," Todt continued. "The race distance can now be covered by one car. This shows that motor racing can not only be a show, but also a laboratory.

"But spending time comparing Formula E and formula one is just boring," he said.

 

As somebody who does not go to cities, you can have your electric cars and charge what you want because it wont affect me. But electric cars do actually make sense for cities. (Its a win win, I wont go anyway so wont be run over by some silent car, and as I live in the country you wont be able to get to me, so no more idiot hoorays wondering the lanes and complaining about the fact that there are cows and they smell etc etc!!) For everybody else...it will be ICE, probably with hydrogen. ICE is a very very long way from being dead. Not to mention the fact that people, at least in the UK are waking up to the fact that electric cars are not as environmentally friendly as advertised; little details of the environmental impact of digging up and processing lithium, and disposing of it at end of life. As with increasing cost of fossil fuels...hmmm are you not forgetting about something....I wonder what the aviation/shipping and trucking industry will use?? I'm sure you will be happy on an electric Dreamliner when that comes along...in who's lifetime????

You forgot wood pellets. Which according to the UK Gov are carbon neutral. Couple of little issues with that,: 1)the calculation does not include the fuel used to transport it from source to point of use, in most cases from some forest in the US, via truck/ship/truck to the UK. 2) Its carbon neutral on the basis that the original tree is replaced, so its only actually carbon neutral over a 25 year period...i.e. how long it takes the tree to grow back. Hmm a whole generation....not so carbon neutral after all!!!!

Problem is that there is a place for all this. But the popular press and politicians are all by and large idiots and react driven by misinformation and partial truths (electric cars) through social media! And who makes the most noise on social media......?

Its like the diesel issue. That has been know about for years...somebody correct me but wasn't this first widely reported in the New Scientist or similar back in the 70s/80s? So why only now do something about it, after first promoting it? idiots.

 

The fact is that renewable energies have hardly been tapped at all, and there is a huge potential there.
Apart from some hydro-electric power stations, rivers are mostly uneploited as sources of energy.
The biggest reserve of renewable energy are the oceans, with the tides and the currents that are totally unexploited at the moment.
There is also solar energy that gets lip services, but is also hardly exploited.
As for Wind power, and thermal energy from the ground, most countries ignore them.
And, by definition, you will never run out of renewable energy, and they don't pollute either!!

Actually, there is little incentive for research on renewable energy because the governments are still firmly riding on the back of fossil fuels.
They have no interest in helping promoting and legislating in favour of renewable energies because they get big hand-outs from the oil and gaz companies.
If the renewable energies were only to receive a quarter of tax break that the big oïl companies are receiving, it could be a game changer.
But oïl companies and gaz producers alike have made sure the legislative and the executive in many countries are in their Pocket.
That's why renewable energies get a row deal, and how very little progress is made.
Every achievement in renewable energy is welcome by guffafs in the media and derision from the politicians.

There is in fact, huge amount of money to be made worldwide in switching from fossil fuels to renewable energy, if only the project were to receive government support, instead of a constant rebuke. The convesrion to renewable energy would open the doors to massive industries, and its effect on the economy of industrialised countries would be similar to the industrial revolution, according to some economists. That should please the capitalists even more than the ecologists, but the message don't seem to get through.

 

Have you seen the average electric power enthusiast? They used to sleep in tents on Greenham common making a bloody nuisance of themselves, then they snuck about on boats trying to sabotage warships and fishing vessels, and now they harangue people like me when I drive my cars around. I wouldn’t mind, but they move out the way when you swerve to knock em over..... hardly fair. If you want to have a row with me, at least don’t run away when I offer to have the argument

 

Tidal is the big missed opportunity at the moment. Wind and Solar are sexy to the politicians as it makes good front page/news coverage as there is something to see. Shame they are not reliable...whereas tidal is reliable and can be predicted for decades if not centuries. So we are now spending fortunes figuring out how to store energy from renewable systems that aren't predictable. There are some great tidal projects about, but they don't get the attention and hence funding they deserve. The Uk gov also missed a big trick in not investing in the Cardiff tidal lagoon, simple technology and provides energy every day of the year! But then we are dealing with civil servants and politicians who tend not to be the brightest crayons in the pack! (Some are but the are a minority!)

 

They don't make vegan solar panels yet?