Can a F430 beat the new Z06?

Same for Ferrari. They learn from racing and apply the technology to the street design.

 

And just what kind of guy am I exactly? Please fill us in since you know me so well.

 

Take it easy man. Most Ferrari owners I know have the requisite self esteem, and intelligence. Thus, they feel no compulsion to hurl insults at others.

Case in point...

Exactly Art. Hope you're doing well, by the way.

 

Ferrari is about creative expression, artistic beauty, technical excellence, balanced high performance, symphonic rhapsody and indulging your passion for motoring while enjoying ultimate exclusivity. The Corvette looks good on paper but is left wanting on everything else. I don't have either yet but I would always prefer the real thing if I had the option.

 

Had a chance to do the Advanced Driving School in NV that uses C5 Z06’s and then drive a new Z06 shortly thereafter. The C5’s are very quick and tight but still look like a rental car on the inside to me. The new one is much faster and I think the fit, finish and materials look pretty damn good. Totally different feel inside than the c5. Tons of torque and I think they have made the brakes a lot better. I went to the dealer to order one for a track car and had a horrible experience. They’ve got a hot product and are really snotty about it. A sample of one dealer I agree but it must be from all those years of begging people to buy crappy chevys they didn’t want. Almost every person I’ve run into in the Ferrari community has been nice. That, to me, is part of the special sauce that makes it fun having an Fcar and part of why I’m tracking down a 360 now. I know that’s contrary to what people say about the Fcar folks but I can only go on my experience.

Which one is faster? Having spent time in a 430 and driving the new Z06 I’d say it’s up to the driver and is so close it doesn’t matter. I think anybody that dismisses a C6 Z06 as a crappy car is out of touch. It’s a great performance car. The 430 is 3x the price and is stunning to look at inside and out as well as drive. There is not one part on the 430 that does not feel unique. I’d much rather have the 430 but I don’t have the “hate the other car” streak.

It seems like all the guys that I know that are really strong track drivers are pretty agnostic. They just like them all if the have an on/off switch and go fast.

 

This reads like one of those negative political ads. Whenever I read a blanket statement like this, I figure that person has some sort of agenda.

Michael

 

Just outside on my lap top enjoying cigars and bourbon on the rocks. I type with a wry smile on my face and enjoy the responses. Just bustin balls.

On a serious note. Yes I am not a fan of vettes. My wife does likes them and if she wants one I'll get her one.

FWIW, I also am not quite happy with the lines of the 430-too busy. I just hope Ferrari doesn't screw up the Imola. They're 0 for 2 so far.

 

No, but my 360 Spider is being delivered Thur.

 

Cars are about different things to different people. If that is what they are for you great but for me they are about haulin butt period. All the other stuff is just fluff to me.

 

Even though I think you are a ego-maniac I admire your taste. Try the cigar with a 25 year old McCallan or a 15 year old cask strength. The bourbon is a nice choice though!

 

Nice! A wonderful way to spend an afternoon.

 

A car buyer willing to accept substandard interior, as long as it's fast.

 

some people think GM don't know how to design cars, absolutely wrong guys.
i'm a car design student at ACCD(design college that Ken Okuyama: director at Pininfarina and also designed Enzo, 612, Rosso, Quattroporte. J mays: chief of design at Ford, Christopher Bangle: Director of Design at BMW , Shiro Nakamura: chief design at Nissan)
GM have more than 200 designers, that is the biggest design studio in the world. so they must be really stupid designers, i don't think so. GM always takes the best design students and most of the students wants to go GM, because it's the biggest and the richest company. i have couple of friends working at GM now and they are one of the best i've seen. look at the Cadillac Cien or Sixteen concept car. my friends at GM told me that we will see some very cool nicely built cars in next couple of years. GM finally fights back against the Japanese companys.

 

Why spend 70k on a Z06 to do this when you could buy an EVO or WRX for less than half that haul as well? Maybe the same reason some don't like the Vette. Your standards might be high enough where an EVO to you is a POS the same as others may feel about the Vette. No one disputes the capabilities of the car but just as the other two cars I mentioned there are people that wouldn't spend the money on them. I am sure there are plenty of people here that think the 180k to spend on a Ferrari is no big deal just as you think the 70k to buy a vette is "cheap" and enables you to drive the wheels off it. There are others that probably need to save up for 10 years to buy a Z06 and to them you probably sound just like what you are accusing others of sounding like. Everyone has different needs and wants and income levels so why try to convince someone that they should have your views?

 

What does "beat" mean? On objective performance, with equally competent drivers, I'd bet on the Z06.

Once you get outside the objective, then the debate will rage with no right answer.

And you want to talk about the Chevy markup? I will never own a new Ferrari since I don't seem to be able to get one from a dealer and all my (unconnected) friends who ordered 360s never received their cars. Used, the prices are excessive.

I will get a Z06 when the initial furor subsides; I will likely never own a 430. I still prefer my 355 to the 360 and bet the history books will, too, in the long run. Same goes for the 430.

And you know what (maybe just dissonance on my part)? I think the Z06 has a more pure and purposeful look; I think the 430 is just busy and not very pretty. I think many owners of 430s have to rave about the cars in part because what else can they do? Admit that they spent $200K or whatever on a car that history may deem awkward?

With a 430, IMO, you are buying excellent performance (but not the best), luxury, a good appearance and, most important, EXCLUSIVITY. I just don't value the latter enough and for $130K less I can live with some plastic in the interior of a car that I am going to drive.

And if I see myself coming on the street in another Z06 - I'll wave!

 

Well, that's what makes the world go 'round - I disagree with almost everything in your post. I think the 360 is FAR superior in every way to the 355. And the 430 is another world altogether. I'm just past break-in with the 430 and can't get over what a great job they did dynamically with this car, it just does everything exceedingly well. And I LOVE the way it looks, and it just looks better every day as I notice more details. Couldn't care less about the exclusivity, personally, and if I thought I made a mistake, I would just sell it. Hope you enjoy your Z06, which is a hell of a performer.

Gary

 

Well ok Clax you got me there but I just don't give a damn about things like interior. To me that kind of stuff is about appearance which is just fluff. If that is something that matters to you great, thats your bussiness.

 

Look, I am not the one trying to knock other people and I am not trying to change anyones view. I like a lot of different cars and would not cut down someone elses choices to inflate my own position. I am sure most of what your saying is true. All I am saying is some of the negative posts about the Vette have a hidden agenda. It is not because the Vette is a lousy car. It is beacuse some of the ego's on this site can't handle the fact that Chevy has finally come up with a car that can kick thier ass!

 

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It's a brand new track and no one there will have a "track" advantage.. I will be there with my 2 ZO6s and maybe my 360...

SW

 

You nailed it.

Think of it this way....

high maintaince beautiful mistress..

Very low maintaince beautiful mistress...

Take your pick and enjoy.

If your really lucky...you'd have both.

Both great cars.

 

write us back when you do have the option. the value of money does have some relevance, and earning some and then deciding how to spend it is good experience. not everyone considers "indulging a passion" living well.

awaiting the 430 Strad, why not write us an ad for it?

 

there is a new (500 miles) z06 for $72k with no reserve on ebay for those that think these cars are bringing $10-15-25k over sticker.

 

Your right Henry. You don't have to pay over sticker. Just call Less Stanford in Dearborn Michigan. They will sell you one at sticker and drop ship it anywhere you want.

 

I read somewhere that US-specs 430s don't have a launch control for liability reasons. This will hurt Ferrari's 0-60mph time which should be around 3.5 secs with LC engaged (significantly better than Z06). F430 also generates more downforce than the Corvette and they managed it without using any spoilers or affecting the car's drag coefficient. F430 has a multitude of chassis, throttle and suspension settings you can switch at will to suit driving conditions and its steering is more communicative and direct. It also has E-differential based on F1 technology and lightening-fast sequental gearbox. The car is just loaded with amazing technology which makes it better/faster, but for 2.6 times more money, it'd better be.

 

It's all about that little switch on the steering wheel . . .!!