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Can anyone help fill some gaps in my Vignale records

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  1. detective

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    #1 detective, Nov 7, 2013
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    Over the years I have compiled an illustrated guide to all the original bodies fitted to Ferraris, but I still have a few gaps. The following questions relate to Vignale bodies.
    Any details of the first bodies fitted to 0061S, 0125EL, 0209EL and 0273EU. Just a comparison with other similar bodies would be good.
    I have seen photos of the restored 0119S and there seem to be significant changes to the rear wing panels and rear window. This leads me to worry that the front end may not have been restored exactly as per original. Anybody have details of the original front end of this car.
    Finally, I have this photo of what is said to be a Vignale spyder. Anybody recognize it. It seems to have a very unusual profile.
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  2. Boudewijn

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    #2 Boudewijn, Nov 7, 2013
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  3. El Wayne

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    #5 Aardy, Nov 7, 2013
    As pictures of the german car already exist in 50's with this shape (no bumpers, different nose...), the Vignale coupe in the first picture (taken in 1960) is necessarily a different one...
     
  6. El Wayne

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    #6 El Wayne, Nov 7, 2013
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    Excellent point and thanks for clarifying. However, I am not stating that the car in the first photo is, in fact, 0061S; only that this possibly represents the look of the original Vignale design worn by 0061S.

    The car in Manfred's photos might or might not actually be 0061S, but whatever car this is, it appears (to me) to have already undergone some modification to the front end by the time these photos were taken.

    Let me add that I believe that either of the cars shown here (but not both, of course) could just as well be 0073S.
     
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    #7 Aardy, Nov 7, 2013
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    I personnaly think the first car (see also my drawing below) is 0061/S.

    I would say the second one could be 0073/S but no proof...
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    #8 kare, Nov 7, 2013
    AFAIK very very tough to prove how 0061, 0073, 0083, 0095 or 0099 looked like. I also think that we need fresh people with fresh view on things to sort it out!
     
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    #9 tongascrew, Nov 7, 2013
    I don't have a scanner but I have four pictures of a car listed as 0061S.It is dark blue with bumpers and plate #RA18 1443 with an country id sticker I. According to the "ferraridatabase.com" spec sheet the engine has one 32 DCF carb and a w/b 2420mm. Half the wood trim on the steering wheel is unfinished wood and the other half appers to be some other material painted the same dark blue as the body.On the dash the three small gages are in the center behind the steering wheel enclosed behind one round glass cover with chrome bezel, with the spedo to the right,tack to the left. Comments? tongascrew
     
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    #10 Aardy, Nov 7, 2013
    You mean "ROMA 13387" ?? It's 0065/S...
     
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    #11 Aardy, Nov 7, 2013
    Sorry, the car you are speaking is 0045/S...
     
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    #12 tongascrew, Nov 7, 2013
    Right you are. Thanks. I guess only 0061 S has the long side molding. tongascrew
     
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    #13 tongascrew, Nov 7, 2013
    So what about 0073S?It's definitely not Vignale,doesn't look like a Touring front,Ghia maybe but front not what I think of as Ghia. Looks like a Ferrari badge on the nose.Any ideas? tongascrew
     
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    #14 Aardy, Nov 7, 2013
    Where is the pic ?
     
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    #15 El Wayne, Nov 7, 2013
    I think he's referring to the car in Manfred's pics (which may or may not be 0073S). If so, then it is like I have stated: a Vignale body with later modifications (post-damage?) to the front end.
     
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    #16 Aardy, Nov 7, 2013
    OK, thanks. If he spoke about the german car, yes, it's 100% sure a Vignale coupe and I agree the nose is not original. Probably an early crash...
     
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    #18 Aardy, Nov 8, 2013
    The burgundy Vignale cabriolet is 0173/E. See the "Ferraris en Venezuela - Branko remembered July 2, 2011", post #389...
     
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    #20 Manfred Steinert/MPS, Nov 8, 2013
    Hi,

    my photos were taken around 1963. The car had a front left damage as well.

    Best wishes

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    #21 kare, Nov 8, 2013
    And still no slotted tail lights. It seems that 0131 is the first confirmed slotted tail light car, 0127 eventually having been the first one built.
     
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    #22 El Wayne, Nov 8, 2013
    Thanks! I remember seeing that now, but apparently I never took action to relabel and move the photos.

    Still, this car is a good example for the OP of how the Vignale cabriolet body of 0125 EL would have looked when all together.

    Thanks for that as well.
     
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    #23 Athanase, Nov 8, 2013
    According to my computer, #121 is Ferrari 195 Inter 0127E of Aldo Mazzetti at Sarezzo-Lumezzane in 1960 but I do trust him moderately.
     
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    #24 Enigma Racing, Nov 8, 2013
    This thread typifies what I love about Vintage Ferrari chat
     
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    #25 detective, Nov 8, 2013
    Thanks to you all. According to Marcel Massini the car with the heavy moulding down the side is 195 Inter (0127E) and I have not seen any evidence to contradict this, or that any other car looked like this. 0065S was overall the same shape with the same front end but had no side moulding.

    Interesting that the picture of Gina Lolobrigida has been posted here as possibly standing next to 0125EL. I have seen this picture on another forum stating that the car is in fact 0173EL. From my research there does seem to be a consensus that "Gina's car" is 0173EL, which conflictingly Massini has recorded as a coupe. Pity there is no easy way of checking the clearly visible registration.
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