Can we stop the Purosangue?

What a silly thread! - People who don't own the Ferrari brand, thinking that they can tell Ferrari not to build a model!

It's like telling the Ferrari F1 team that they can't hire a driver because you don't like that driver!

Plenty of Ferrari F1 fans said they would abandon supporting the team when they signed Alonso, and again when they signed Vettel - Strangely though, it didn't stop Ferrari from hiring them!

The fans don't dictate to the team what they should do, and Ferrari owners/fans do not dictate to Ferrari what cars they can produce.

I'm no fan of a Ferrari SUV - To me, it's not what Ferrari are about.

But .......As Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Alfa Romeo etc., etc., etc., have shown, there's a market for the ridiculously over-sized vehicles, so Ferrari are missing out on a lucrative market.

Are you also going to ask Ferrari to not build an all electric car? - NEWSFLASH: When the time comes, Ferrari will build them, because it will be a case of either build electric cars, or go out of business (the sale of new petrol [gasoline]/diesel internal combustion engined cars is about to be banned in Europe/the UK, and sooner or later, other markets will follow)

The only real way to stop the Purosangue/electric Ferrari's, is for no one, (or very few people), to buy one - But that's not going to happen!

 

if you hate it so much, vote with your money.
of course, the 3000 other ̶s̶u̶c̶k̶e̶r̶s̶ buyers on Ferrari waiting list with be happy to move up a spot.

 

in the beginning, only rich people can afford electricity and light bulbs.
ditto telephones.
ditto indoor plumbing.
ditto color TV.
ditto home computers.
ditto cell phones - those were bricks back in the days and only stayed powered for an hour. then they make them smaller, lighter, more powerful, more useful. How inconsiderate.

these pesky advances in technology allow poor people to enjoy these things and make these devices better too. how horrible!!!

the world should not have progress. it's ruining everything. don't get me started on big screen TV. how dare they make 4K LEDTV? for cheap? I like my rear projection 300 pounds analog TV thank you very much.

 

I don't hate it but I'm also not buying one. It's just my opinion that an SUV is not what Enzo had in mind for his company.

 

he didn't like rear engine or aerodynamic either. his last car was the F40, a rear engined car with a lot of aerodynamic bits.

 

ok. I don't why you're singling me out? I have no dog in this fight, and I'm not pushing them not to produce it. It's just my opinion that it waters down the branding of sports car manufacturer. I don't really care if they build it or not.

 

Is this the first production Ferrari to have 4 doors on it? Not counting the 456 Venice for the Sultan of Brunei. I also wonder if this is supposed to be the daily practical Ferrari for transporting the family etc. Would that mean less of these will be plugged into battery tenders/trickle chargers because they are supposed to be used when they eventually come.

I have small pee pee, but a big heart

 

+1 waters down the brand. look at what porsche has become

 

Not sure what your point is --- never said technology progress is bad ... but if every car company produces a 900+ hp SUV it is no longer special to me. If every human can run a 9.7 100 meter dash I no longer view it as a special achievement. If every early-stage biotech company in your product field raises $1B in capital and you raise $1B in capital - I no longer view that as a significant achievement.

I have and have had a number of wonderful technology companies as clients and can actually name the individuals responsible for some of the major breakthroughs in some of the products you listed and I consider their talent and initial breakthroughs as special and significant. But I also have first hand experience with the followers who have raised billions of dollars and make incremental improvements to the product (picking the best innovations of other companies and bridging others innovations) and while I knowledge their achievement - I simply don't value their contribution the same. You might, I simply don't. I also don't consider everyone with a few coins in their pocket as special or even talented. Again, you might - I simply don't.

 

By that logic no Ferrari is special to you. The F8 has 710HP, but you can get more HP than that from Ford, Dodge or GM. Ferrari's have never been about the the pure objective numbers.

 

Not true, some production Ferrari's are special! in terms of showcasing engineering excellence. For an ICEV I have never used total horsepower as a comparison benchmark metric. I use hp per liter and mean piston speed.

Using the hp per liter metric the Ferrari F8 Tributo: 182.1 hp/liter for a forced induction is impressive (probably in 90th percentile for all production cars) but the 132.7 hp/liter from the naturally aspirated engine in the Ferrari 458 Speciale is world class (99th percentile) and is a significant achievement.

So I consider the F8 an B+/A student while the Speciale is the A+ student. Outside of Cosworth and Ferrari it is very difficult to find 132.7 hp/liter from a piston naturally aspirated production engine.

 

What do you think of the 296's 218 HP/ Liter?

 

Didn’t know where to put this

 

sorry for delay....long day.

it seems that to one has to have a car that's "better" than someone else. A person just couldn't have a great car by its own right. It's not special unless no one else could have.

I would argue that a Ferrari is a great car whether there's 499 copies or 15,000+ copies. It doesn't have to be limited to be great. The F8 is a great car. If there's something else out there that just as good (e.g. 720S), that doesn't make the F8 less special. Ditto Purosangue vs whatever SUV Lotus or Tesla happens to put out.

Also, more of a good thing is better. There seems to be a desire that if my car is good, it's better that few others should have the same car.

There should be more of the good things for the greater good, as opposed to limited good things.

 

I'm a big fan of the 296 and its engine as not only is it 218 hp/l (654 hp from 3.0) a great achievement but IMHO Ferrari finally applied a motorsports approach in terms of integrating the engine and chassis (e.g., mounting the engine as low as possible, compact size and 120-degree vee-angle in order to lower the center of gravity). Realistically lowering the center of gravity and building a compact engine won't yield the same result as on a race car but its the thought process of the designer that really impresses me.

Personally I find value in a V-6 designed by someone who thinks like a race engine designer vs a V8 or V12 designed by someone who clearly thinks like a production car engine designer. At least on paper it checks many of the priorities of a race engine designer - high power, compact structure, lower center gravity, and reliability while running the engine at higher temperatures then your competitors. Knowing that Ferrari's top of line (F1 & LM) race engines are V6s doesn't hurt either.

 

I have no issue with what you are saying and agree that more access to great products and better technology is beneficial to the greater good.

Exclusivity isn't the value driver for me, I just place a little bit more value on the difficulty of the task completed, the number of people or companies who can accomplish the same tasks, the potential duration of the competitive advantage and this often (but not always) favors originators and innovators.

This value system was forged from my involvement in professional motorsports, transitioned easily to founder run technology companies and now to luxury companies that rely on unique skill-set artisans. Its based more on the value of the people behind the product vs. the value of the product to society at-large.

 

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R&D costs are significant. If you want Ferrari to continue to produce marvels of engineering, they need to push a product that pads the coffers a la the Urus.

Most people's jaws still drop when an Aventador drives by in most parts of the world despite Lamborghini selling more than 15,000 Urus in 3 years and having a wait list of at least 12 months.

 

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It just makes me laugh when "Purists" try to out distill Enzo Ferrari himself.

 

Weak. Enzo would not make an SUV to joint the ranks as the most common ride on the planet and get lost in the sea of them in the parking lot. Nothing special about this car. Its just to satisfy stockholders in a publicly traded company which even Lucca bailed at the thought of.

 

Can we change the title of this thread since the Purosangue can No longer be stopped

 

Good thing Ferrari has never built an SUV.
And the stockholder statement is ridiculous. Stockholders want maximum profit, something they would be sorely disappointed in since Ferrari intentionally limits production of each model. Yes, they are a public company, but traditionally very unorthodox; and the shareholders know this. Puro is a natural evolution of the FF/GTC4, not a placation or status quota.

And I would say their forthcoming electric sedan will be more controversial.

 

Hopefully you didn't order the shields!

 

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Sadly, we were unable to stop this abomination.
Perhaps we can prevail upon Fchat to avoid a sub forum for it?

It is not a Ferrari after all, in the same way a Ferrari branded espresso maker (or other disposable appliance) is not a Ferrari. I don’t see entire sub forums on Fchat concerning espresso makers. Mind you, I like espresso more than that SUV.

Perhaps a poll on that?