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  1. TFENT

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    CeramicRotors.Com is proud to be a new sponsor to FerrariChat, and thank you for having us.


    CeramicRotors.com has partnered directly with Surface Transforms (ST) to offer replacement ceramic rotors to all Ultra High-Performance applications (Worldwide), to include, but not limited to, Ferrari, Porsche, Nissan GTR, McLaren’s and others to name a few in addition to making custom applications available. CeramicRotors.com can now make custom, one off, Ceramic rotor replacements for odd applications or applications that have a limited run. Examples of the one-off applications we have done or are in the process of making are Ceramic rotor replacements for: Ferrari F40 & F50’s Ferrari Enzo’s, Dodge Hellcat, Maserati, Aston Martin, Ford Shelby Mustang, New and Old Acura NSX’s, New and Old Ford GT’s to name a few.


    CeramicRotors.com is not a new company, we have been working with Surface Transforms since the early 2000’s. We helped innovate and create ST ceramic rotors via MovIt Brakes in Germany and have supplied ceramic brake kits and replacement ceramic rotors for more than 10 years. We have sold several thousand ceramic rotors that are still in use today. The ST rotors have an EXTREAMLY long and durable life expectancy. They are refurbishable and resurfaceable up to 5 times unlike OE ceramic rotors. The refurbishing process is quite easy and is rarely even needed, but available if necessary. For the end user this means you have a product that is very durable, very reliable, resalable, and offers the best performance possible. Most of our clients with vehicles equipped with OE ceramic rotors will often order a vehicle equipped with ceramics and then order replacement rotors from us. Then shelf the OE ceramics for when they resell the vehicle at a later date and time. When they order their next vehicle, we will take the rotors back in trade (trade in amount based on condition of used rotor after evaluation) and resupply replacement rotors for their new vehicle. We are the only company in the world to offer this buyback program, on what most consider, a wearable and throw away part. In addition, we feel these rotors are so durable and reliable we offer a One-Year warranty on the rotors. Clients can use the New CeramicRotors.Com rotors for daily driving and/or tracking. If in one year the rotors need to be refurbished under normal use (IE street or track) we will refurbish the rotors free of charge. The only thing we do not cover are issues caused by some type of physical damage, like running into a sand pit or an accident that damages the rotor. That said we will tell you this is a VERY rare occurrence. Less than 1%.

    Pricing is VERY competitive with OE Ferrari replacements and our ST replacement rotors will include Pagid Pads (RSC1 or RC29) and new stainless-steel brake lines put together as a “kit” to Ferrari owners. We stock most rotor sizes for quick delivery. If we do not have current stock on a certain application the order process is usually only a few weeks.

    As we stated before, pricing will be VERY competitive to the OE cost on Ferrari replacement rotors and we hope to keep them this way moving forward as these rotors are a true necessity to the Ferrari community. The OE rotors simply do not hold up. The New ST rotors solve this problem 100-fold. Email us (tom@tfent.com) or call (858.883.2655) for pricing and availability. Again, the replacement ceramic rotors are a direct OE rotor replacement both front and rear (some require spacers that are included) and include a set of front and rear Pagid Pads (available in either compounds of RSC1 or the RS29’s) plus a new set of stainless steel brake lines.

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  3. TFENT

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    The ST Process:

    Surface Transforms uses a unique, patented process to produce our next generation carbon-ceramic material. This process delivers the numerous advantages of the CCST material and our stringent quality standards ensure top-quality brake discs.

    STAGE 1: CARBON FIBRE PREFORM

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    A unique 3D structure of carbon-fibre is weaved together from multiple layers of carbon-fibre cloth to form the base carbon material (pre-form).

    STAGE 2: CARBONISATION

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    The carbon fibre pre-forms are heated to a temperature of (1,000-3,000° C) in a furnace filled with a gas mixture that does not contain oxygen. The lack of oxygen prevents the carbon from burning in the very high temperatures. As the pre-forms are heated, they begin to lose their non-carbon atoms, plus a few carbon atoms, in the form of various gases including water vapor, ammonia, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, hydrogen, nitrogen, and others. As the non-carbon atoms are expelled, the remaining carbon atoms form tightly bonded carbon crystals that are aligned more or less parallel to the long axis of the fibres.

    STAGE 3: CHEMICAL VAPOUR INFILTRATION (CViST)

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    Surface Transforms have developed their own process CVIST based on the Chemical Vapor Infiltration method of Ceramic Matrix Composites fabrication. This is a process in which reactant gases diffuse into the porous preform and form a deposition. Deposited material is a result of chemical reaction occurring on the fibers surface. The deposition fills the space between the fibres, forming composite material in which matrix is the deposited material and dispersed phase is the fibres of the preform.

    STAGE 4: HEAT TREATMENT

    Following CViST, the parts are placed in a furnace and taken through a further cycle at very high temperature.

    STAGE 5: GREEN-STATE MACHINING

    At this stage, the parts are solid blanks of close to the finished dimensions but not yet as hard as the final part. Most of the machining of the component features is done at this stage, as machining after the next stages is expensive and time consuming due to the high hardness of the material.

    STAGE 6: MELT INFILTRATION (MiST)

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    ST-developed process of melt infiltration deposits the Silicon Carbide into the Carbon pre-form to produce the final composite material – CSiC.

    STAGE 7: FINAL MACHINING

    A final machining process is required to achieve the specific tolerances required for brake components.

    STAGE 8: ANTI-OXIDANT COATING

    Before parts are completed, a self-healing, anti-oxidant coating is added to prevent oxidation and increase the life of the part.

    STAGE 9: INSPECTION

    A CMM (co-ordinate measuring machine) inspection of each part along with DTV (disc thickness variation) measurements is performed to ensure all parts meet the strict tolerances required by our customers.

    STAGE 10: DISPATCH

    The final parts are packaged in our Surface Transforms bespoke shipping boxes and dispatched by courier to our customers around the world.
     
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  4. Flea7

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    Welcome!!!!
    This is exciting to see. Great option for us!
     
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  6. 360trev

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    Interesting product bur website suggests 17,999 usd price point, is this a mistake? That is a lot more than I would expect it to be, we can get factory rotors in ccm substantially cheaper than that ...
     
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  8. azlin75

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    Honestly haven't priced CCB yet but I know it's highly pricey. It appears the kits offered are complete kits for all 4 rotors and pads for each.
     
  9. Need4Spd

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    So it's $17,999 for four rotors, four sets of pads, and stainless steel lines? The same set of OEM rotors and pads runs about $40k, I think.
     
  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Is this the same Tom from the olden days at Mov'It?
     
  11. 360trev

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    Perhaps when they first arrived but not any longer. Try doing some homework and you find them significantly cheaper than that very old often quoted figure. There are so many applications of the OEM Brembo ccm's on mainstream cars even that the prices have dropped a lot. Maybe in USA these are not being passed on ?! When did you last check?
     
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  13. mwstewart

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    I'd need some clarity on prices, too.

    Eurospares supply new genuine Ferrari front 398mm Scuderia discs for £1,850/$2,540.69
    F430 380mm fronts are £1,750/$2,403.56
    The 350mm rears are £1,750/$2,403.56

    Scuderia complete OEM set = £7,200 / $9,885.21
    F430 complete OEM set = £7,000 / $9,611.57

    As Trev alludes to, there is significant Ferrari tax on even the above. Discs from Corvette and other manufacturers can be obtained much cheaper if one is willing to swap the bells.
     
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  14. 360trev

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    If they where similar, ideally a bit cheaper than Ferrari current prices which have significant margin dialled in (as Mark mentioned) then it would become the equivalent to what Hills Engineering products are for ccm brakes... Everyone would buy them. There would be no need to seek out Corvette ccm's or VAG group stuff and swap the bells which works just fine...
     
  15. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    These are the same transforms on the Mov'It brakes on my 575M. Rotors do not wear at all for street use and not much for track use, no brake dust, and no squeal with Mov'It's proprietary brake compound pads made for them by Pagid.
     
  16. TFENT

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    Yes sir. Good to see and hear from you Taz :) I hope you and Jan are doing well.

    To clarify pricing:

    You have to understand what you are paying for here.

    Any replacement of the OE rotor with an OE (Ferrari) or OE Type ( ZR-1) rotor will always leave you in the same situation that you began. These type of ceramic rotors were designed to be easily mass produced in different sizes quickly and their intended use is street driving conditions with "occasional" track use. Any more than that and I am sure from the hundreds, if not thousands, of posts from Porsche, McLaren, and Ferrari users you can see they do not hold up. This manufacturing technique of using a synthetic resin makes the rotor vulnerable to failure after several severe heat cycles. The ceramic portion of the rotor doesn't fail but the "glue" does.

    The CeramicRotors.Com rotors as stated above is a manufactured SOLID Ceramic Rotor. It is machinable, resurfacable, and rebuildable. No other rotor in the world is like this rotor. It is, in most cases, more expensive. But is will last 10 or more times longer than a rotor manufactured like particle board (pressed and glued). In addition it is resurfacable, has a warranty, and is so durable and reliable that it is resell-able. We back this up with a Buy-Back Program. This program is so successful we rarely even have refurbished rotors in stock and available. They usually sell in hours.



    This is a photo of a broken CCM rotor that Brembo manufactures. To reiterate it is pressed together just like particle board. It's ceramic flakes that are pressed together with heat and synthetic resin or glue. Once one flake comes off the rotor it doesn't stop. The area will get larger and larger due to pad contact and foreign particles in and around the pad acting like decay in a tooth.

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    This is an image of a PCCB rotor with the same issue. Once the flakes come off the skeleton it just get more severe as it's used until the friction surface is completely gone.

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    The ST Ceramic Rotors are a solid ceramic rotor that can be resurfaced and retreated up to 5 times. Even if it is chipped or damaged it is still 100% solid. Again if the surface is damaged in most any way it can be fixed and resurfaced.

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  17. Skidkid

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    Looks like a great product. Welcome to the board and thanks
     
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  18. TFENT

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    Thank you :)
     
  19. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Tom- Mov'It brakes are still working great with no wear apparent on rotors. Amazing what a solid carbon silicon-carbide rotor does for longevity. Especially when compared to OEM rotors with a thin layer of braking medium bonded to the core.
     
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  20. MaranelloDave

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    So a complete OEM set for under $10k? That's not that bad -- a lot better than the $30k I heard a couple of years back.
     
  21. TFENT

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    Plus the significant tax, which makes our product price competitive. But our quality is superior.
     
  22. TFENT

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    We are in the process of putting together a Ferrari Ceramic Brake conversion kit for the OE Steel application. This kit will include the OE Ferrari Ceramic Front brake calipers, Ferrari Rear Brake Calipers, Ferrari E-Brake Mechanical Calipers, front and rear brake pads, brake lines, Ferrari Brake Booster, and Ceramicrotors.Com Ceramic Rotors/Hats. Bolt on kit. Pricing and availability will be available very soon. We have the supply of all the pieces just locking down pricing.
     
  23. MaranelloDave

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    When you say "tax," are you talking about actual sales tax, or the so-called "Ferrari tax," meaning retailer markup? If the latter, how much is this "tax"?
     
  24. TFENT

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    The Taxes are applicable in different parts of the world and are for different reasons. There are VATS in Europe and other unknown taxes from vendors of these parts. Some are import duties some are manufacture tax. Again the total depends on where you live and purchase these parts from.
     
  25. Mickster

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    Ok, so you’ve got my attention.

    Now (since I seem to have missed it), I would like s weight comparison between OE CS 380mm rotors and your replacement 380mm rotor.

    Also; Regarding center bells - the ones you provide are iron bells or aluminium?
     
  26. TFENT

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    The rotors are going to weigh just about the same. It's minimal, the rears are definitely a few ounces lighter. The weight difference is all in the hat except for the comparison with PCCB rotors because of the way they are manufactured. They are heavier than our rotors. Some manufacturers use an iron hat and we use an aluminum hat. In the rear most OE use an iron hat and we use a hybrid hat. Aluminum with a steel insert.
     
  27. Mickster

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    Ok. Thanks’ for the info.
     
  28. mwstewart

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    The tax isn't applied/applicable to US customers. There are no 'unknown' taxes as suggested above.
     
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