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Discussion in 'Tracking & Driver Education' started by Scott Archibald, Mar 9, 2019.

  1. Scott Archibald

    Jan 22, 2019
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    Have any of you had experience in purchasing a challenge car for recreational tracking?
    What are the pitfalls, what technical support is needed if any?
     
  2. gatorgreg

    gatorgreg Formula 3
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    You need the VCI computer, air tank to lift the car and tools to remove the tires. It is to much car for a track day. You need support.
     
  3. Scott Archibald

    Jan 22, 2019
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    Gatorgreg thank you for responding,
    I found Sears Point Racing Club online, located at Sonoma Raceway, they have mechanic support, garaging facility etc.
    for club type tracking. Is that adequate support for a challenge car?
     
  4. carguyjohn350

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    *** I am not a Challenge Car expert by any stretch of the imagination***
    However, from what I have read and owners I have spoken to, it seems there is a difference between models in terms of useability by the average Joe. Are you looking more on the 348/355 end or the 458/488 end of the spectrum? A more specific question might elicit a more helpful answer. There are Challenge owners on this site.
     
  5. Scott Archibald

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    My interest is in a 458 Challenge car, not necessarily the EVO.
     
  6. gatorgreg

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    Trust me. You need to find someone qualified,to run the car. You will pay for it one way another. I know from experience. Find a good independent shop racing Ferrari’s not Porsche’s with the VCI computer.
    I am sure someone will post that you can run the car without the computer, but to be honest with you the car is dangerous without it.
     
  7. gatorgreg

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    The Evo kit is safer. It’s more stable at speed. Another tip run the factory tires. The 458 is an incredibly fast machine which was design around the factory tires.
     
  8. JAM1

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    Greg, who's helping you run your car? I'm up the coast in Tampa and I'd like a good recommendation for a shop familiar with 458 Evo...
     
  9. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob F1 World Champ
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    What a s the Vci computer?
     
  10. gatorgreg

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    The System Diagnosis SDX is an apparatus able to enclose in a single system the three diagnostic systems produced by Ferrari SpA (SD1 + SD2 SD3 +) for the electronic assistance of the cars (equipped with a diagnostic system) to the model 430 Scuderia.
     
  11. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob F1 World Champ
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    Oh SDx...never heard it called vci
     
  12. rlips

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    VCi is the version for the Challenge car. I run a car, primarily for track days. You will need to have a race shop or dealer that can help with the occasional odd thing, but it is doable for a mechanically adept owner.


    I have nitrogen tanks, a lift in my garage, a closed trailer and dry break cans to fuel the car. The car is more work than a typical track car, but certainly doable.

    I’m running the car on race gas and ceramic brakes. The car is very fast, and the costs are commensurate with the speed.

    Your biggest issue is that you will most likely be the fastest car out there on a track day, so finding people to play with is hard...look for GT3 cup cars and the like...

    Best,

    Ron
     
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  13. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob F1 World Champ
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    Is VCI a box like an SD2? Is it software on a laptop? Used SD's are like $20k. Can a normal person buy the VCI for the challenge car at normal people prices? Why VCI instead of SD? Does VCI have limited function like no CAN line HVAC parameters? Or does VCI allow ECU "tuning" for say different race class intake inlet restrictors?
     
  14. rlips

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    VCi is a device plus software on laptop. It gives access to the various ecus via the obd port, and allows maintenance, troubleshooting and logging etc. as far as prices....it’s a Ferrari product...somplan accordingly.
     
  15. gatorgreg

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    I paid $11K for the VCI. It requires Ferrari updates.
     

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