Chinetti Sues Ferrari

Agreed, and that is the twisted path being discussed. It is a fact that cant be ignored, it must be faced head on and once that "moment" is chosen for the restoration.....

Many folks far sharper than myself have thoughts about 3223... having been hands dirty laying in the dirt in many paddocks, I have my own. Which moment or set of facts does one choose? Frankly, as I stated before, its an evolution, a work in progress, and to reverse any of it would amount to having lost a piece of history. Does that make it worth any less than when it first left the factory? I suggest the changes and the added history add greatly to both its historical and collectable value.

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... and I respect and admire it for what it is!

Personally for me, I wonder at the Innovations of the folks in the pits and the garages who made these cars better than what they left the factory as. After all, THAT alone is what Competition is all about... finding a better way and advancing what is known at any given moment.

In no way does that lessen a Perfectly restored Cal Spider, that too is a work of art but in an entirely different light.

 

Who wants Pipers 250LM restored to original?

 

wrt racecars that are heavily modified, it ceases to be the manufactures car and more the entrants car. how can a manufacturer certify mods 20-40 yrs after the fact, when they may not even know about the mods and how they were performed and by whom?
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Please see attached price list in Euro, per your request, as of Feb 2011:
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Thanks very much, Steve. Much appreciated. So we have the entry fee, retail price and research costs to pay. Please could you clarify the metallurgical test and if possible the cost? Thanks very much in advance.

 

Veering slightly off topic, Massachusettes has just passed. "right to reapair" law that mandates manufacturers provide access (for a fee) to all diagnostic hardware and software for any car sold in the state.

 

I can understand the frustrations and concerns clients are having. I understand where clients like Jim are coming from.

Now, imagine that this IS the Italian way of doing business, the business that all Ferrari Dealerships work with on a daily basis. When ordering replacement parts. When submitting a warranty claim for repair. When trying to perform a simple task like replacing the windshield in a 3x8 body car.

As I stated early in this thread, I am engaging this topic as a way to learn, a way to get perspective, better myself so that I may better serve the client.... I am getting a crash course for sure.

Regarding the SD computers, I have been on both sides of this story. As an independant who want to and tried to offer services to the Ferrari community , we paid large $$$$ for the SD3 and associated equipment / connectors / updates, etc... 50% of the time the SD3 wasn't needed or was worked around. The rest of the time was spent trying to figure out how it was supposed to work.

MY opinion is that Ferrari doesn't want just anyone working with these cars, they need to know what they are doing and how to do it. They don't want to see a Ferrari on the side of the road because an independant didn't realize its a dry sump oiling system and overfilled it...
SD3's are the same way... just handing them out to whoever can cause more problems than it serves. Make sure the shops that get them are trained how to use them... just like a Dealership is. That's fair, right?

Ferrari Clubs.... we'll no... that's you and Don's area of expertise... you can have it... < wink >

S

 

That price varies. And the price I would charge could be different than the Classiche department in your neck of the woods would.

S

 

You know, that never made sense to me... if someone wants to work on any car, help them to, provide the same training that the Dealership gets. Provide the same tools as well. Put us all on the same playing field, but keep them accountable to the same standards we are.

Can't have your cake and eat it to now,

S

 

"interesting times"
There are potentionally widespread implications.

 

Am I alone in seeing a historical link here ??????? if my memory is correct I recall the Popes in ancient Rome selling off Indulgencies to Penitants .............. Ie;- for a sum of money or gift of lands one could buy your way out of Hell and into heaven ;~} the whip has been replaced by the invoice and Heaven is a Classiche diploma for a moody car, nothing has changed ........... Penny.

 

I really don't see how the services Ferrari are offering through Classiche, could be labeled anti- free market. Offering those services is in fact a very good example of exploiting the free market. No one is required to make use of those services. Not even Coco Chinetti. If that means he has difficulty selling his 365P, because potential buyers want a Classiche-certificate but Coco refuses to get one, so be it. Again, free market.

Whether or not the services offered through Classiche have any raison d'etre or the services are of the quality a paying costumer may expect, is an entirely different matter.

 

But a 308, or a Boxer is/was not limited production. It doesn't make sense to exclude some types of Ferraris, of the same years of manufacture, while allowing others to be certified. If you are just trying to determine whether or not a certain "430" was a 16M, or not, a simple check of the vin would accomplish that.

George

 

I have read the Ferrari response to Lou's lawsuit (but not Lou's filing). The Ferrari response sure runs a lot of holes through Lou's assertions and underlying logic.

Sure would like to read the actual filing by Lou Chinetti.

Jeff

 

where can I get this from?

 

They 'honor' my T but hate my 456


have me happy and sad all at the same time.

Guess I'd better throw away the 456 now....so sad, Enzo liked it. [ LUCA!!!!!!]