Any comments on this '83 Mondial listed on Craigslist in the Portland area? Anyone near the area to check it out? Ferrari Mondial 1983
Actually it's a 1983 QV. Mondial 8 is 80-82. QVs are from 83-85. Not a bad car, no garage queen, not concourse but looks like a daily driver. With up to date maintenance, it seems to be a good car. It's got updated 16 rims so no TRX, but cheese graters are missing. Passenger side mirror is missing, radio antenna needs to be replaced. Interiors are alil rough, but prob can pick it up for a bargain depending when last major was done.
Get a PPI the price appears to be about right however please read my post. A PPI could save you thousands.
My car looks great in pictures inside outside all around. However stand next to it clean and look at it and you see as it sits it is not anywhere close to the value it could be. Engine was the same way before 12k to get it fixed from neglect of previous owner. Get a PPI it's worth it
Very good point Bell, must be an 82 not 83 QV or someone swapped the plenum with an 8. Ad says it's a euro spec and certified in 1984 imported to US. This is what a QV engine bay should look like... But I'm confused, here is another 83 ad with the same setup: http://classiccars.com/listings/view/595651/1983-ferrari-mondial-for-sale-in-anaheim-california-92807 The engine is an 8 but the rear badging says Mondial Quattrovalvole. Could it be a euro spec thing? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Looks like a very expensive car unless one wanted to just drive it and ignore problems. The missing parts is a bit unnerving. And I just don't like a car that has had engine work at a low mileage. To me it says it was used very hard without proper care in its early life. Just my opinion. Wish I was home more than a few days a month, I'd like to go see it to check it out.
I think we have to first determine if its an 8 or a QV. Makes a huge difference on originality of car, pricing, resale???
I brought up a similar question on several other threads about other cars for sale that had the black plenum. Here's one for sale at DC-Motors: Pre-Owned 1983 Ferrari Mondial in Anaheim Hills CA | Serving It's listed as an 83 QV (Euro), but has the black Mondial 8 Plenum. I've seen several others like this. The one thing I noticed was that they were all listed/described as "Euro" cars. So, maybe the early Euro QVs had Black Plenums? Sid OOPS: Just noticed that my link is pointing to the same car that Mike linked to.
This could be confusion about the way model years are assigned and cars are sold in Europe. Usually in Europe, if a car is manufactured in 1983, it is sold as a 1983, where here it may be built in 1982 and sold as a 1983. Us manufacturers really try to get ahead on the next model year, so you may have a car that was made in the USA in August of 2001, but sold as a 2002 model. Just my thoughts, could be wrong. Alden
I do know that an 85 Mondial 3.2 is only in coupe form. 3.2 cabrios are 86 - 88 only. So there are lag time in coupes to cabrios that differ in years. Maybe this is something related to that... exempli gratia: here is a manual for a 85 3.2 coupe but look at the 85 cabrio ref part in back of manual, has the qv front/interiors/engine: All Ferraris go to The Downloads/Owners Manuals/ download Owners Manual Mondial 3.2 1985
Hi Mike I can't pull up that link for the 85 3.2 Coupe. I do have a question however. Were there both QVs and 3.2 Coupes in 85? In North American spec? The reason I ask, is that I have an 85 QV Coupe - US Spec. Sid
hi Sid, yes, my understanding is there were some over lapping, yours was still a QV in the production line in 85, where as later in the year 85 coupe units got the 3.2 version. see my revised post above but navigate to: www.ferraridatabase.com The Downloads/Owners Manuals/ download Owners Manual Mondial 3.2 1985
It does have a QV interior, but a 8 plenum. I have seen other QV pictures with 8 plenums. The HVAC is substantially different between the 2 cars and it would be a hell of a job to fit the more advanced QV controls to the more basic 8 A/C parts. No straight swap by a long shot. I THINK it is a QV with an old plenum but I don't know.
I think its the coupe lagging to cabrios, so all 83-85 QV cabrios got the correct plenum that spells out Quattrovalvole but there was some over lapping for coupes that still used old parts until they ran out is my best guess. You have to remember Ferrari was a lot smaller company at that time unlike today's production line processes and Quality Control in place.
Guys, also I'd just like to say that now prices are on the up, there is a lot of 'passing off' going on here in the UK ie. people painting the plenum on their 8 red etc....and more.
I'ld say it's a QV. The only thing that points towards '8' is the plenum. All the rest: center console, steering wheel, dashboard, doorcards, logo on backpanel, ..., make it a QV. This also isn't an Euro car hence the diaper. Isn't it possible this is an early QV wearing some leftovers from the 8 shelves? A lot of manufacturers are doing this.
Interior is definitely a QV. I think this is a Euro car. The Craigslist ad even notes this with: " euro spec car imported into US and certified 1984," I know, I know - craigslist ads are not the place to get reliable info on cars. However, the description does fit with what we are seeing. Sid
It's a euro QV. 100% sure I have seen at least a dozen '83s having this plenum chamber. The first '83s had the Mondial 8 plenum and they changed it later. US vs EURO US has black fuel distributors and euro is plain alu.
I painted my plenum and my valve covers red. I just liked the look of it better than the black. My shop said my car was a euro spec???? I did not think it was at all so how do you tell?? I know it's an 8 non QV
Here is the VIN thread you can decode: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/mondial/354392-ferrari-mondial-vin.html
