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Cost of war.

Discussion in 'Other Off Topic Forum' started by JH, Apr 6, 2004.

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  1. randall

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    War is good for the economy when we are not at battle. WWII was good until we got involved. Selling materials and supplies to people all over the world, making their money our money.

    War is a band-aid fix when you're involved. Money comes from taxes>given to large corporations>given to workers who build weapons> weapons are blown up. From start to finish it shows taxes are taken from people, and then that money is blown up. It does show job growth and defense business booms, but all the money the get comes from tax payers. The Iraq war would be truly good for the economy if we sold weapons to someone else and let them do it.
     
  2. KMS

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    NY Joe, lets see what Israel can do without U.S. help or weapons. Answer? Nothing. So take that silly argument somewhere else.

    I had a few (5)friends in that building as well that does not entitle me to any more or less grief on this planet. I do not feel sorry for you.

    The Iraq war is based on a lie. Iraq had nothing to do with those buildings getting knocked down. The war in Iraq will not prevent another terrorist attack on U.S. Soil. I predict they'll wait another 5 to 10 years to make an attempt somewhere else on U.S. soil. In the meantime they have plenty of U.S. bodies delivered to them and before long they'll have the kind of death toll numbers they're really looking for.

    I'm not recommending pacifism but it would sure help if the fighter were aimed in the right direction. Administrations like this one (and terrorist for that matter) thrive on easily shaken persons like yourself. When angry and scared you're easily fooled. Check back with me again when the death toll in Iraq reaches an even grand and then again when it surpasses those that perished in the buildings. Yeah....it feels so much better when it's 18 year olds getting killed in a country they could hardly find on a map and all for a lie.

    Make sure you cross your legs when you sit down, it ain't ladylike to sit with them open.

    (heh, that last line was mean but seriously.....
     
  3. tvrfreak

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    Well said!

    Only small quibble I have is that not only does the invasion of Iraq not help in the war against terror, it has another far more serious consequence: It actually HELPS the terrorists:

    -They get more recruits
    -They get a new battleground
    -They get US bodies to shoot at (as you mentioned)
    -They get more talking points for their propaganda
    -They get to say they were right about the US and point to Iraq as an example
    -Less pressure is put on them in their existing lairs in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc., as US resources are diverted to Iraq
    -US resources are stretched thin both in Afghanistan and in Iraq...instead of doing one thing well, we end up doing two things badly
    -US loses credibility amongst allies, leading to diminished help
    -US loses goodwill worldwide, giving terrorists more safe havens.

    Too bad there's so many people with their heads up their butts. What a mess.
     
  4. JSinNOLA

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    So what are your thoughts on the 60,000 who NEEDLESSLY died under Saddam? Just wondering...



    More food for thought. This war is costing us what we budget YEARLY for the "War on Drugs". I think that our current war is being fought much more efficiently than the drug war, yet no cries about the billions upon billions wasted each year. But that is another issue entirely.
     
  5. ralfabco

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    Interesting first sentence KMS. Perhaps you may want to read a history
    book or two ? Please kindly look at all the IDF Weapons used "before" the
    1973 War.

    1948 War
    1956 War
    1967 War

    Guess what ? Almost no American weapons !
    The majority of weapons were French and English.

    In 1967 The main Israeli infantry weapons were not American
    In 1967 The main Israeli Battle tank was the Chieftan.


    In 1967 The Israeli Air Force had NO "(ZERO)" American airplanes.
    No American Trainers. No American Fighter Bombers. No American
    Fighters. "All" 100% French.

    Today they have quite a bit of indeginous weapons. Check the Taas
    website. They have a large export industry of weapons. They have
    even sold weapons to the Americans. I suppose they could do something.
     
  6. JH

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    I am entitled to say that the US Government made a bad decision, appereantly alot of other people agree if you read this thread again. Your silly comments has nothing to do with it and I can't use them to squad.

    If you remember, my governemnt support this war too, so I am not glorifieing it. Lazy and Socialist? Haha, okay, then explain to me why our government is doing better against your republican if it's so bad to be a socialist? Socialist is far better than republicans in my book. (For a government rule, not as humans or anything,) Republicans seems to run their country with arrogance and force against others, were socialists takes care of it's own.

    Overblown welfare system? Please explain. High taxes? Yes, thats right. And that is what makes the living standard here in average the highest in the world along with Norway. And that's a fact.
     
  7. docdavid

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    Well said, but i think theres one more point....
    The US is in a sense doing the recruiting of terrorists for them...
    ...every time a stray bomb or missile hits a civilians home more pro-occupation iraqis are turned to anti-American iraqis, i know this is much less an issue now with the war being "over"
     
  8. JH

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    Very good point, that is exactly what is happening.
     
  9. aventino

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    Unfortunately Ralph they lost my vote a decade or so ago when they took the F-16 and a bunch of money the US gave them to modify it (over what was General Dynamics at the time) and then attempted to sell their "new" version of the F-16 to China. They display a degree of contempt for the US, the hand that feeds them these days, that is hard to believe.

    I dunno what is to be done in Iraq, news here reported that in a recent battle the paramilitaries that the US had been training sided with the local militia in the midst of the battle and started firing back on the US troops. If it's true, can you imagine being a US foot soldier on the ground in that?

    It's like the politicians have no idea how difficult the situation has become.
     
  10. ART360

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    Go back, look at history. Change the words around a little: vietnamization to putting an Iraqi face on it, light at the end of the tunnel to transfer of soverignity. Same story, updated for the new century.

    The amazing thing is that people continue to buy this crap, listening to lies, half truths, you name, and then have the guts to call anyone who disagrees with names. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where this was going: large expenditures, tens of thousands of dead, etc. We've seen it before.

    Americans do a lot of things well. One thing that they don't do well is study history. A while back I read that we are the poorest informed nation when it comes to history.

    Enjoy the ride, its certainly going to be the e-ticket. It may not be pleasant, but it sure will be exciting. We need to properly compensate those who brought up this ride however. Maybe a little jail time?

    Art
     
  11. JH

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    You have a way of saying things, a way I cannot articulate myself. I agree with everything you say.
     
  12. KMS

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    Ralfa, Israel could simply not exist without the degree of interference the rest of the middle eastern countries around it recieve.

    As for the 60,00 Iraqis needlessly killed by Saddam? So what? The U.S. Government wasn't worried about it when it was happening AND it is not in that country now because of atrocities committed by Saddam. It sure wasn't concerned about it when it put Saddam in power or supplied him with his weapons.

    Should Canadiens get upset when Bush succesfully kills a few thousand of his own people or should they rightfully ask what Americas own citizens were doing to stop the killing?

    You want one or two lumps with this nice piping hot cup of STFU? I'll be generous and give you two. (snicker) Really.
     

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