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    Better than new !! :cool:
     
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    Comparison of old v new custom valve guides, the old cast iron guides were pretty brittle when they were removed. New guides have an extra groove to assist seal retention Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
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    May I enquire who made the valve guides and the type of alloy (assumed)
     
  8. sp1der

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    Please find link, there was a nominal set up charge and with the 24 guides the total bill was a little over £300, good company perfect product and very quick turn around.

    https://www.ultimatep.com/about/
     
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    Bit of a road-block as Eurospares are saying that timing chains are NLA? My assumption is these are common to Espada/Jarama/Countach 2v models and so can use these which are available?
     
  10. I would think so. Have you found any for the Jarma/Espada? Are the 4.0 2v available?
     
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    Yes seem to be able to get these just not the part for the 5000s
     
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    Simon, can you not use the old ones as template and get new ones made up, must be a company out that can do this?
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  13. I'd send George Evans an email. He will know. @Chadbourn Bolles would know also.
     
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    The ESPADA/JARAMA and the 5000S chains ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE QV ENGINE. I have the chains. Price is $140.00 each plus postage/packing cost.
     
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    Sorry I was thinking you were building a QV engine. I also have the chain for the 5000S price $140.00 each plus packing/postage cost.
     
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    Hopefully got arrow precision lined up to make some new cam followers
     
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    Thankfully Eurospares are trying to resolve the bearing situation with Lamborghini despite being Vandervell and the right part number they are clearly the wrong part and look more like Miura parts that have the shallower tang.
     
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    I’m not a fan of Eurospares. i’ve had parts sent that were clearly not correct. Have you contacted Lambo parts? Be surprised what they may have.

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    Did you resurface the block before the liners went in?
     
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    Simon what are you using as a reference for the engine rebuild numbers, I understood some of the scanned manuals that are floating around have errors?

    I'm going through the same issues with a 4.0L engine...
     
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    Using a combination of original parts manual to ensure correct parts are used, and then the L406 engine manual but cross referencing back to a Ferrari 308 workshop manual to see if the numbers look sensible. The liners, pistons, valves, tappet buckets, guides etc are all new taking dims from the manual and measuring the old parts. So the valves are from Manley, Liners from Westwood, Pistons from CPS, Guides from Ultimate performance and Tappets from Arrow Precision as generally the OE parts are of questionable quality and materials/processes have moved on since these cars were built. The block was true so have not re-faced, the liners are all slightly proud as they should be and there were no signs of any head gasket issues when I tore it down. It really needed valves guides/seals and there was a bit of liner wear.
     
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    Thanks that's very helpful -- what about bearings, mains/journals, did you have a separate source for that? I think in an earlier post you mentioned that the factory originals were not great (and the prices that I have seen have made me do a double take).

    Measuring my crank diameters it does look like we have to grind the crank down to the next bearing undersize but I'm thinking we need to get a set of bearings to measure to make sure they are correct? Also the clearances I have seen are within 0.025 mm (0.001"), has this been your experience as well?
     
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    Ex: for cranckshaft, from L406 manual:

    (a) normal diameter of mains = 62.979 - 62.966 mm; mine measured: 62.91 - 62.96 mm on a quick check;

    (b) journal diameter = 43.604 - 43.594 mm; mine measured: 43.54 - 43.56 mm

    also in the con-rod section it shows the internal diameter of the bearings is 43.680 - 43.658 mm which allows for 0.065 - 0.075 mm of clearance -- is that reasonable?
     
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    The fits look ok I have checked the crank drawings and the dims are good in the manual. For reference the Ferrari Dino manual states 0.056-0.099 as the assembly limit on the exact same small end dims 43.619-43.637. I got my bearings from Eurospares which seem to be a rummage through nos at the factory. For the mains 0.041-0.090 on again very similar dims 62.948-62.966.
     

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