COUNTACH REUNION

Thanks!

 

IMO ALL pre-Audi Lamborghini's have not come into the desire of ownership as other makes....I always hear it was due to Lamborghini failing to enter the race scene...maybe...

But I think it has a lot to due with just plain lack of both display and knowledge of these car. i.e, in movies, advertising, ownership, and plain old shear numbers of these cars out there as compared to other makes.

I for one learn something on them almost every day!!

I can also admit, that until I WAS shown one of these cars in late 2000 in the USA (south Jordan, Utha) I was under the impression, as I have heard from others, that these cars where not really legal in the USA, they were "gray" cars, only brought in by the extremly wealthy and the "hidden" car collectors.

I think a lot of the "new" intrest in these cars has come from the AUDI team brining out the Gallardo and the Murcie. As more as THESE cars come around people research the makes history and become intrested...many times buying an older version.

I have several clients, including MYSELF, that started with a newer car (2001 6.0 Diablo SE)...and after falling in love with them...well kept buying and wanted something "older" to sit next to my "newer" one.

 

imo the red/black Wolf's car (in Japan now) is the most valuable countach, from an historical point of view (also the most famous, most pictured, scale reproduced...)

this one is probably the best developed as the last but comes second as valuable IMO

p.s. no direspect for all Wolf's special contach: every one of the 3 Wolf's speciali is a COLLECTOR JEWEL - POINT.

 

+1000000

 

You all have it wrong. - It is the green and brown early LP 400, in the factory museum !!!

 

Damn

Are they really going to do it ?

That is great, if that is in fact the case.



- However the interior is not complete and authentic, unless it is gold, has a gold key, and a MAT-49 under the seat.

 

I personally think that it is the myth of maintaining a countach or older cars that prevent people from buying them.. Because it never was an official u.s car until 86, people created these myths around the car as in top speed, maintenance , reliability. And honestly most probably werent familiar with the brand enough to buy something so outlandish. Because, Lamborghini cars with their out of this world looks betray the reality that with proper maintenance comes a reliable car... and thats what has and still keeps many potential owners away. Now audi coming into the scene educated many buyers about the brand and reintroduced it to many consumers stateside. And of course being that they are newer and more user friendly cars, Lamborghini gained more ground with buyers. And there of course, sparks new interest in many older cars being on the market today. But all in all my interest never really came from the newer cars, but the icon car that i grew up with... that made it first on my list. and of course i am working towards newer models as I go ... hopefully....

 

Yep

 

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The new buyer, is very different from the old buyers. The old buyers would accept no factory service dept, poor paint, a worthless owners manual, serious parts delays, uncertainy with the companies financial situation, impracticality, a wild design, stiff clutch, no headroom, a worthless A/C, a harsh workload to master the car, and was willing to put up with other significant issues, for the sake of having the car.

These cars were only kept by enthusiasts, who actually loved the cars and would accept their problems. If the person was not an enthusiast, they would drop the car like a hot potato. I have heard a lot of "old" Lamborghini stories, about the cars and some shaky "dealerships."

The new car buyers, most likely, simply want to drop off their cars, grab a cup of cafe at the dealer, pick up the loaner, and be off to work. They expect their car to be repaired, when the service mgr promises the work will be finished.

They do not want to hear stories, about parts that will take two months to source. A lot of these "buyers" came from Porsche and Mercedes etc..., and they expect no issues whatsoever, with the service dept and their golden factory warranties. Will they even remember Lamborghini, when the car comes off of warranty, and they immediately trade for something else ?

Is that in fact the case ? Are buyers of new M and G cars, actually buying older 60's, 70's, and 80's L cars ?

I am the opposite. lol. I am just waiting for a nice 350/400GT (perhaps a nice project as well), to pop up in the crosshairs.

 

i am not very interested in anything newer than a diablo

i find LP640 cool, but then i start to think with that money i could buy a nice diablo GT and save some 60k euro or a SE 30 for 1/2 half the money or even a miura P400 instead .....

 

I agree that the percentage may be small...but it is still a fact that there are those who have gotten intrested in the "BEST of the BEST" the true LAMBORGHINI'S...you can replace the "newer" cars any day of the week.....BUT the FUN cars GRAB them now...for soon they will be just a "sparkle" of I should have...when I could have!!

 

Very good points Ralph... No, not every owner would want to deal with those issues with the older cars. But, then again, I know of a few who have done so by buying some older cars... So out of the many a small percentage do "convert" into hardcore enthusiasts.... I completely agree with the fact that many more who purchase the newer cars are not ready for the down side of vintage car ownership. It takes more dedication and patience than simply a checkbook at hand to make things happen... I am still waiting for a part for my ct...

 

do any of you think perhaps that the older cars will continue to surpass the newer stuff by the shear hard facts that the computer age and later fuel injected cars require a different skill set to maintain, and a whole new set of tools?

now i have not seen or worked on any of the newer cars in person, but as with other makes, special cables, proprietary programs and other special equipment seems to be the norm to troubleshoot the newer cars, especially the E gear cars.

it would seem to me the enthusiasts that are coming of age when the Countach was ( and in a way still is ) "THE" ICON for their generation, will not hesitate to deal with carbs and hard to find parts, while the other buyers will tend to shy away from all the computer crap that has been packed into the cars after 1989 or so.


now i would welcome a 2v injected car if i could afford it, and i think i could figure out how to work on it, but the facts are, none of these cars are "cheap" and the newer Diablos and G cars seem almost a bargain and easier to drive.


even if we run out of gasoline, i think there are some cars that will forever be coveted for thier shear beauty of design.

i totally understand why that guy mounted that Countach on the wall in his mansion.


love the pics guys....



what is the selling price for a injected 2v car, perhaps one that has issues and needs work?

Joe? Ralph?

 

The new cars and the pre-91 cars are worlds apart. If you want a "classic" L car, that would probably be a pre-82 car (this includes Gregg's silver seventy-nine slider / lol). I am not insulting any owners of later cars. They are certainly enjoyable to have. I had two post 82 Countach autos. - They are a lot of fun. With the older cars, I just find them special and purpose built (uncompromised). The cars began to add weight, were built much more practicle, and luxurious at the same time. Some of it is feelings, of what Lamborghini was experiencing, while they endured hard times. - It is difficult to describe !

I have no idea how modern cars will hold up in the market, when expensive computers, e-gears, and other gee-wiz hardware no longer works. It will not be too fun, when someone has to spend a lot of money, to buy a rebuilt e-gear box.

That will be a long time.

As you know, a lot depends on how long the owner has been sitting on it. I would "guess," that a decent project with hope, will start at 45K, and go up from that price point.

At 45K, it would probably need paint, interior, clutch, some engine work, and the unknown. If the car does not run, and most likely has significant engine problems, you should pay much less. Keep in mind, the cost of an engine rebuild. Perhaps an easy fixer upper, could be found for another 10-15K ? Did you try Tom ? I believe Tom is aware of a car or two, that is just sitting in the garage, and gathering dust.