David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

Compare the period pictures to the current finished car. Look at the rear wheel arch, and how it is filled in the period pics. Back bodywork definitely looks too long on the present day replica bodywork...

 

See post 2749. And let's remember someone has the incorrerct tail on one of his cars. So there is room for some imperfections. Let's try to keep an open mind. There is no such thing as a perfect restoration of the original. tongascrew

 

I wonder if they realize what the WB of a P4 is VS a P3/412P WB. The P 3/4 and P4's have the same WB and that's why 0858's P4 spyder tail fits P 3/4 0846 properly. There is also the issue of the proper tire size for a P4. You can't buy the exact right P4 sized tire today. You have to hand cut them.

 

Early discussions on this body believe that the rear arch is too high, but re looking at the pictures the rear tyre profile looks too low. How the rear arch was made wrong (if it is) when they supposedly used #0900 as the template I don't understand?, even producing a body buck from it.

#0900 is a P4 as is now #0858 so should match chassis wise, etc.
Pete

 

Did you weld pieces of aluminium to the bottom of the front sides of the 0858 tail so that it followed the bottom door line as it did (and still does) on 0846, the P3s and 412Ps?
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If you go through the 0846 and 0854 threads you'll see. The WB difference is the tricky part and how you get the tail to center properly and to be able to hinge up without hitting the proper size tire. It's all in the thread. Remember the WB of 0846 and 0854 are different but on both the bottom of the side lines up with rather than steps up from the door shut line.

If you read the threads very carefully you'll understand the very cleaver thing Ferrari did to enable a P4 tail to fit our P 3/4, our 412P and The P4's specifically P4 0858.

 

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I know about the 12cm difference in WB. I was wondering how you got the 0858 P4 rear clam to line up with the bottom of the door line as it did (and still does) on P3, P3/4 and 412Ps as it steps up on the P4s? I'll read the 0846 thread.

 

I have to assume the P4 has a lower door sill line than a 412P or P3/4 but Ferrari chose to step up the sill at the rear and not change the rear bodywork. Surely the rear bodywork does not sit higher on a P4?
Pete

 

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I wonder if Ferrari ever swapped the chassis plates back? Therefore it was actually #0856, or the chassis that was once tagged #0856, that became the CanAm car and the car we are now talking about
Pete

 

They did but claim after Le Mans they swapped back.

 

Some more pics of 0858 at Retromobile from Ferrari 330 P3-P4-412P's Facebook page.
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This is the old history of 0858 that is displayed. Ferrari have revised it in the last few years.

I wonder if the new owner was aware of the revised history and had the car liveried according to the old history at Le Mans??? It will be easy to change the number from 21 to 3 along with the mirrors and have it liveried according to the new history as the 1967 1000KM of Monza victor.
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Looking at the pictures of the new body on 0858 replicating Ferrari #21 there are two small rear facing vents on the roof at the joint of cockpit roof and the engine cover. As best as I can tell from the pictures I have of the two cars at Le Mans in 1967 only car #24 has these vents. I will let you experts comment what the s/ns of the two LeMans cars at both the trials and the actual race but it would appear that this 0858 restoration could actually be 0856.What we do know is that both the engines and the chassis plates of these two were exchanged several times by S.F. for which there are no recorded records. This may also complicate the numbering of the S.F CanAm rebuild and, as David Mackay in his book makes no mention of engine or s/n of the car he imported into New Zealand, this offers no help.Finally we also don't know[?] the s/n for the Ecurie Francorchamp P4 which ran at LeMans Was 0850 scheduled but not prepared and so what s/n did E.F. run? Help! tongascrew

 

I think the "Ferrari" history would be in the classiche 350 Can Am 0858 book?

Strange that he'd go with #21. I have the original Le Mans scrutinizing documents from 67 and if Ferrari swapped chassis plates for that race they also restamped engine number which is possible.

 

The pic is from the 0858 350 Can Am Classiche Red Book.

Yes, it is very strange he went with 21.
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Car number 21 at Le Mans 1967 did have the roof vents.

 

Pete

 

Has anyone here yet found out who carried out the work for the Berlinetta configuration?

 

Hmm do they have Mike Hailwood's name spelled incorrectly?

 

I hope they used a skim coat of Bondo so it will match the rest of the car.

 

in my list

330 P4 & 350 Canam 0858 - Daytona 1967.

 

From Mecaniques, Modernes & Classiques FB page.
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Nose inlet remains really poorly done.

 

Yes, and difficult to understand why they did it this way.