David Piper restores the Talacrest P4

Great photo comparison, Jim.
That looks awful. Makes me wonder if Pipes's 0900 has one. If not, I wonder why they threw that extraneous element in the mix.

Best,
Dave

 

It may not be a window header but could be a removable strip placed to protect the top of the window edge while the car is being worked on, or if the window has not been fitted yet, a strip to protect and/or set the window side supports????

 

Look at 0858's original tail.

Look at 0856.

You think this is a good job?

 

Sorry if this has been answered already but the question I have is, why? Something more that "Because he can." would be nice.

-F

 

The tail isn't finished yet but why isn't it a good job? What's wrong with the sills also? Were these actually changed in the transition from P4 to Can Am car? The only work that appears to have been done there is that the paint has been rubbed down.

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142302977-post321.html

 

Come on, Jim. That's question deflection.

 

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Read what I and others wrote earlier about specific details.

Your question was already answered.

Asking it again won't change that answer.

I still believe that if one wanted to do this they should have gone through Classiche and had it done correctly by Allegretti, Brandoli, etc. or the other's Classiche uses. There's a reason those guys don't use an English wheel to make replica's of bodies that weren't originally made that way.

 

Please can you tell me what the reason is that Allegretti and Brandoli don't use the English Wheel? Does using the English Wheel actually result in the body being incorrect in any way? Did I wrongly get the impression that you were not a big fan of Classiche in the past? You didn't go through them to restore 002 so why is 0858 different?

 

Further to the above you haven't used Ferrari Classiche to restore 0854.

 

I did use the guys they use. Not everyone can go directly to those guys. I can.
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0854 has it's original body and I did use some of the guys Classiche uses for various parts of 0854's restoration.

 

Had he decided to go that route I'm sure JC could have persuaded the people Classiche use to carry out the work.

 

You really have to read more carefully.

Anyone with a checkbook can use Classiche to farm out work to these guys.

Having the guys who actually do the work, work directly for you is another matter.

JC did what he did and will be judged by the results of what he did as all of us are.

 

It's not the same as using Classiche, even though they may use the same people.

You have said that there is a reason Allegretti and Brandoli don't use the English wheel which implies that it's inferior in some way. I know that it's not the way that these people made the bodies originally, but does using the English Wheel result in the body being incorrect in any way, other than the method originally used?

 

Doing it yourself sounds like a lot more fun.

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142303928-post339.html

 

Now come on, Jim. That's more question deflecting.

 

and you also get to be in an Opera. Classiche tried to have one of these guys stop working on my cars directly. They stopped paying him. He kept working on my car and stopped shipping them parts. They resumed paying him. Life went on.

 

There are some interesting points in this thread, miurasv, do you have any affiliation with those "restoring" this P4, sorry Can Am?

The above quote is a particularly profound comment, why because I am for am going to be interested to see how the "restoration" of this P4/Can Am is written about by various magazines.

I for one find it a bit strange that for a job this big the car wasnt sent to Classiche to begin with.

 

Wouldn't be Ferrari without the opera. Grand and Buffa.

 

Steve if you can't tell the difference between bodies made on English wheels and those pounded in Modena you really need to visit an ophthalmologist. The surface of Metal formed over tree stumps is a lot different than metal rolled. The completed pounded bodies surface is a lot more organic and imperfect which can easily be seen even after painting. The surface feels totally different to the touch as well. This is especially noticeable on Prototypes which used very little filler. The first thing we did to 0854's original nose was strip off the many pounds of bondo that had been incorrectly added to it over the years. In the day the dents were pounded out and very lightly surfaced not bondo'd out.

Hey you like the job David is doing buy the car. It's been on offer for a while. I'm sure JC would love to shift it.

 

Thank you for explaining the difference between the end result of the English Wheel and methods used in Modena. It's much appreciated.

 

No, just a total love of the P3, 412P P3/4 and P4 form(s) and a respect of their history. They are the most beautiful cars ever made.

 

Thanks for playing devil's advocate. Keeps the thread much more interesting.