Daytona Dashboards, Help, help, help.

Grant,

it seems to me that UK trimmers often put leather on the dash, my car has this, after the original mousehair got stained. It watermarks very easily and condensation running off the inside of the glass in a damp climate would soon have ruined it.

The leather is hopeless here in Australia, with major sunlight reflections onto the windscreen.

All the reproduction mousehair that I've encountered is more "furry" than the original and too black. It is easily picked as non original. It doesn't fade though.

So, unless you're lucky enough to find a roll of the period fabric, you are going to be wrong either way - obvious reproduction mousehair or incorrect leather. My suggestion is go with what looks best to you. It's not such a big job to retrim again later.

Ian

 

grant,
that car w/ red seat inserts is so wrong, i don't know what to say.....
ed

 

Original exterior color: Giallo Fly 20-Y-490.
Original interior color: Nero VM 8500.
Assembly sequence #962.
15 March 1973 Factory completion date.

Marcel Massini

 

grant,that is a huge assumption that the dash is factory. many things on the car are wrong, such as the black stitching on the steering wheel. if they got that wrong, why assume dash is correct/original?
ed

 

I think there's enough confusion, you could go 'full quill' ostrich!

Give the purists 'the bird" as it were.....

 

grant,
the best research you can do is to find as many period(meaning 1969-71) car magazine articles on the daytona. see if any were covered in leather. those will show how the car first appeared.
ed

 

big tex,
ostrich! sounds rough. i remember seeing a car at pebble w/ the entire interior done in frog belly skins, now that was soft. croak.
ed

 

I agree with "original" if we can find what "that is!! Also, agree that many 'specials' and one offs can make that hard, sometimes....

My three 308GTB vary in many minor details, and you'd think they'd be pretty standard by then...

I recall the frogskins too! LOL!

 

weren't the frog skins on some goofy car owned by my goofy friend Gary Wales?

 

The darkblue one with French plates is S/N 14537, a genuine Daytona Spider, owned by French collector A.R. of Paris (S/N 14537 was born Rosso Chiaro 20-R-190 with Nero interior). Pic taken 24 June 2007 at Ferrari's 60th Anniversary at Fiorano. The green Spider (Verde Scuro 20-G-355) on the left with beige interior and no license plates is S/N 14375, also a genuine Daytona Spider, owned by German Dr. D.A. The silvergrey Berlinetta on the left of the green Spider is S/N 16619 and owned by an Italian collector of Treviso. The yellow Daytona Berlinetta on the left of the silver one is S/N 14313, owned by an Italian collector of Montecatini Terme. The red Daytona Berlinetta on the left of the yellow one is S/N 13873, also owned by an Italian.

Marcel Massini

 

C/N B20BH

 

Just amazing that people claim this interior is original. Would have looked pretty horrid with Giallo Fly... Apart from the fact that this interior is not very well done.

On the subject of dashes, I've been trying to establish if any 365 BB's left the factory with mousehair as my BB project has an alcantara dash (which, BTW, is NOT the same as mousehair), recovered in 1988. But all the knowledgeable people I've spoken to say there's no evidence of any leaving the factory that way. The Ferrari SpA records, such as they are, also do not note anything on my car, indicating that it was probably the standard black leather.

I find it intriguing how the Daytona's seem to have been all mousehair and the BB's, the next model, seem to have been all leather. You would expect some overlap or something?


Onno

 

My Daytona, SN 16333 has a leather covered dash. I have assumed that is a later recover job. But I have seen pictures of the car just before mine and just after it in SN that also have leather covered dashes.

Makes me wonder if Ferrari might have made a short run of leather dashes for some reason.

 

16333:
Original exterior color: Rosso Chiaro 20-R-190.
Original interior color: Beige VM 3218.
Assembly sequence #940.
29 November 1972 Factory completion date.
Euro version, LHD.
Delivered new to official dealer Motor S.a.s. in Bologna, Italy.
The Rome license plate on the photos below does not belong to 16333 since this plate was issued in September 1969 already.

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While hoping not to incur the wrath of the experts it is my understanding that Pininfarina only built one Daytona and that was the earlier car *11795*. That car was used as the Paris show car and had the first 365 engine. Unlike 12301 when it first appeared outside of Europe as a show car. It had to go back to Italy later for fitting of it's proper 365 motor. Also it had shared the stage there with a rather strange looking Daytona *11001* that sported a 275 GTB nose and while unseen a 275 GTB chassis to. Having later seen *11001* in person with it's 275 nose and confounding Daytona look from the windshield back I can say it creates a very curious looking automobile.
CH

 

Thanks, Marcel, for the great pictures of my car and the production information!

I am aware that the license plates are not for 1972; after a long search I found these original plates on Ebay. You have confirmed that they are correct in period, if not year of delivery!

Site of the pictures is awaiting concours placement at this year's Concours on the Avenue in Carmel, California, August 11th.

 

If the car was delivered in Bologna, you should perhaps search for some BO plates? It might be possible to find out what the original registration was and put copies of those on? Would be a nice touch, I think.


Onno

 

ONNO:

Who is to say where the car was registered? I believe the only two Ferrari dealership sites in all of Italy (besides the factory) were Rome and Bologna.

But you are right, it would be nice to have copies of the original plates, from wherever the car was first registered.

Marcel? Any information available on first owner and his place of residence?

Thanks for any information.

 

Tom, Onno

In 1972/73 there were 31 official F dealers alone in Italy.
The fact that the car was delivered new thru the dealer in Bologna does NOT automatically mean that the first owner was also from Bologna. He/she could have been from any other Italian area as well. I will try to find out and keep you posted. I have seen cars delivered by the dealer in Rome but to somebody in Palermo. or cars sold by the dealer in Venice but to somebody in Torino. IF 16333 was sold to somebody in Bologna and IF that guy had it registered in December 1972 in Bologna, then the range of Bologna license plates would be between "BO 490000" and approx. "BO 510000".

For the best, most professional and accurate Italian reproduction license plates go to:

http://www.targheetarghe.it/

Marcel Massini