Do not buy this car!!!!!

What is this OWNED business, we don't get over here???????

 

Owned: When you are completely and brutally beaten. This can be a physical beating, complete loss in an argument or just flat out one side summarily executes the other in defeat.

 

tmobile:

Why did you feel the need to even post about the car when you had found another. You did it out of spite after they (Premier) met you w/ the police.

Stick to selling phones or air or whatever you do and leave the board.

You lost a grand or two....write it off and move on. You've corrupted the board w/ being less than completely truthful.

Regardless of anything else it was wrong of you to steal the top!

 

Anybody noticed that this thread has been viewed over 12,000 times?!

What is a thread record for views?

 

That would be 481,636, as of right now, it will be more by tomorrow.

 

You know what's gonna happen.

Someone's gonna post this on like viperforums.com and then it's gonna hit porscheforums.com, hondaforums.com, kiaforums.com, yugoforums.com, lexusforums.com, delta88enthusiasts.com, etc etc and I bet it gets a LOAD of views.

No, I'm not gonna spread the cheer.

 

Tmobile,

Good luck in jail.

But I'd like to help, do you have a young girl friend that needs taking care of while you contemplate your evil deeds? I'd be glad to watch over her and help her through her time(s) of need.

 

Bad, bad, bad.
Shame on you.
Tmobil is da man with da plan.

 

A SALVAGE CAR is an insurance write-off !

 

Here is another dealer opinion:

yes, vin discrepancies do happen ALL the time. Just look at the people working in your DMV or tag agency that are inputting the info into the computer. Nuff said!
The dealer has the obligation to check the VIN against the car. In FL we actually sign a paper when we go to register. This ONLY happens when we register the car though. If it goes out of State it is a different story. Yes, WiseGuy is right, neither the dealer nor most buyers do check the VIN against the car and the VIN plate. There are 3 VIN's on the car you have to clarify. Just a matter of practicality., Not right but matter of life.
If a VIN dispute is there, the dealer has the obligation to clear the dispute promptly. Premier did just that and went out of their way to do so. They even contacted FNA and got a letter from them.
The Credit Union did not pay, and rightfully so. They, at that point did not have the "right" title for the car. Premier does not argue with thier decision but rather has the problem resolved.
Of course at this point Premier does not have a car nor money, so they pick-up the car while the dispute is being worked on. ANYBODY would have done the same to protect their financial interest in this deal. At that moment Aaron had a $40,000 car sitting in his garage and only paid $1100 for it without ANY security for Premier.

At this time Aaron could have said, pick up your car and refund my money. He did not! he told them to work it out. They did. I can not see where there should be a breach of contract by Premier. When Aaron purchased another car though without cancelling the original contract in writing he in fact breached the contract. At this time he should have sent the top back immediately and ask for a refund of his money. He did not but rather extorted the dealer to give his deposit AND travel expenses back. (I am not clear on the trailer but that was part of the expense?, if so did Aaron send the trailer up to Premier, once he asked for the re-imbursement? Of course not)

Aaron: and anybody else that wants to listen:
If you have a deposit with a dealer you can ask for the deposit back. If your deposit is held for a reason you have to evaluate if that reason is just or not. In your case you feel it is unjust. You then have the option to ask for the deposit again or go to Court and sue for the refund.
Common sense would also tell you that because a deaelr is holding your deposit that you can walk into their dealership and start taking their stuff until you are re-imbursed for the deposit in dispute.

In this case the deaelr has done EVERYThING that he could possibly do to make this deal right.

The reason for this screwup is the Credit Union. They should have:

a. done a draft
b. resolved this whole thing direct with the dealer and not get the customer involved.

The correct answer would have been from the Credit Union:

" We return the title since there is a VIN discrepancy. Please clear this mistake within 30 days, until then we have to withhold payment but once the corrected title is received payment will be issued immediately."

Aaron: the reason why you are in the mess you are is your CU and your decision to "hold-on to the top" and subsequent extortion of Premier.
If I were you I would call these guys and ask how this can be resolved. Oh and Yes, at this point I would opt for paying them the difference what they lost in that deal. If this goes to trial you will lose, that is a sure thing!

 

That is what I was thinking but the terms may be different in the UK

 

What would Premier really get by suing TMobile? The guy is young and has to finance a 40k car. It would cost maybe 10k to get it to court and have the thing heard. Time for depositions and time and more time for what?
Even if TMobile is found guilty, I don't think there is any real benefit to follow thru on this. I also didn't like the part of keeping the top. I did like the idea of getting Tmobile a temp. tag till the title cleared.
Premier surely did present a good case here. They have been in business and are used to dealing with car issues every day. Tmobile is not. I think the guy just freaked but I don't understand the quick purchase of another car. He had to be looking during the whole ordeal or maybe just bought his second choice from the oringinal search.
My advise is that Tmobile should reimburse Premier for all the costs associated with this so that they are back to square one. Premier should walk away and take the high road. If they are a class act they can see their is no honor beating up on someone like TMobile. Possibly TMobile would issue a public apology to Premier on this site and any others that he posted on.

 

Well said - great idea.

 

[QUOTE=robert Possibly TMobile would issue a public apology to Premier on this site and any others that he posted on.[/

Given Tmobile's tone in another thread where he is asking forgiveness from the board I don't think that this will happen. He seem sto still be in "poor me" mode

 

Which TMobile, Mr or Mrs?

DL

 

It won't hit the Europaforums.com as we're too busy trying to fix our cars to worry about a bad Ferrari deal. Except for me; MY car works! LOL I love this thread; it shows me how NOT to deal with problems.

Ken

 

interesting thread, unfortunately faults on both sides, hopefully all events can be sorted and there is a happy ending

 

The terms are the same here in the UK, I think Adnaan was simply trying to make his post more readable. Rather than repeating the same term or phrase, he chose to use an alternative when getting to the point of his story. Sorry to go O/T for a moment, but I thought it worthwhile to point out.

Kindest regards from England, home and birthplace of the English language!

 

I agree with this idea. Remember, though, that Premier has a CRIMINAL complaint against TMobile. Most of the costs of investigation and prosecution will be handled by the State. To me, that is their real leverage to get TMobile to settle. They really don't have to do anything else except wait. If TMobile doesn't make an attempt at settling, they let the criminal case go forward. A conviction almost guarantees a win in civil court later. In addition, TMobile is out lots of attorney fees in the process.

My guess is by the end of the week we will see a public apology by TMobile on the board indicating they have settled their differences. We will probably never know what it actually costs TMobile to settle, particulary if Premier has a little mercy and only goes for out-of-pocket expenses.

 

Fascinating thread.

I am surprised how many listers appear giddy with the fact that he could do jail time. I guess leniency is not in their vocabulary. I am sure that none have ever made a wrong step or stupid decision – or is it that they never have been caught. Everyone makes puerile decisions when it comes to cars, especially Ferraris. 50% of car sellers and buyers are cheats in some way or form – if we jailed everyone that cheated there would not be any used (or new?) Ferrari for sale.

Clearly Tmobile is repentant in light of the punishment; I don’t condone any of TMobile’s actions but obviously we are dealing with someone that didn’t understand the magnitude of his actions and didn’t have the appropriate morale tutelage growing up… He must make full retributions to Premier for their expenses, the cost of remarketing the car – and wash out his month with soap for the libeling Premier and telling lies. This has been a humbling and embarrassing experience I hope he has learnt his lesson… No need to clog up our legal system with these kind of cases save it for the Kenneth Lays and Ebers of this world would are truly attacking the moral fiber of our society.

No updates from Premier – I do hope they take the high road, all parties would be happy if it had not been for the clerical error - they do bear that responsibility. Pursuing this to the full extent of the law would be mean spirited and not good business practice….

 

Apparently I have no business prognosticating, as this thread has gotten a whole lot more interesting since I posted reply #43 on it. It figures, I go away for a few days and don't check F-chat, and things get mighty interesting. Hopefully it will work out with the least amount of pain for all involved.

 

This is where I part company with the Premier guys. When I bought my '66 Corvette from a private owner back in 1988, I arrived at the owner's house after a few phone calls, and asked to see the title. WITHIN ONE MINUTE after the title touched my hands, I was opening the car door and looking under the dash at the VIN number. They did NOT match!!! ONE digit of the final four numbers was WRONG. And it had been WRONG for 18 YEARS!!! Somebody at the DMV had typed the wrong number 18 years ago and the owner never bothered to check. But you can bet that I checked. And Premier should have checked to see that the serial number on a Ferrari matched the serial number on the title that they had. It only took me ONE MINUTE to verify a foul up on my Corvette's title. I had the owner contact a state police buddy to come out and verify the VIN tag number and he wrote up an inspection slip with the correct number on it. I submitted this number to the DMV after I bought the car and they issued me a corrected title.

I am always wary when a dealer doesn't NOTICE that a title doesn't match the car. YOU, the dealer, are swinging a deal on an expensive automobile and you don't NOTICE that the most critical piece of paperwork is fouled up until the BUYER brings it to your attention????

Sorry, but I couldn't deal with somebody that makes such a critical error. Suppose the buyer paid the dealer with a check that had even ONE digit off in the amount column?

I bet the dealer would notice that in 5 seconds!!!

 

It is not such a big deal if that happens. Usually you glance at it, especially the last 6, but do not gp through the entire number.
There are times when we do not get the title for a car we just bought until a week or two later and yes, that doe snot mean you can not sell the car. Of course you would not buy it unless the title is there. You go and buy a new car and verify the MSO ? Why not? Becasue the new car dealer would tell you you are out of your mind.

Anyhow. Again, from experience, 9 out of 10 buyers don't check, 9 out of 10 dealers don't check. I know I rarely do!

 

My ENTIRE Vin # is: 2577R Yes, I checked the title when I bought the car. It wasn't such a hard task! LOL

Ken