Does a 93 Mondial T have the exact same engine as a 348?

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by asianbond, Mar 17, 2004.

  1. asianbond

    asianbond Formula 3

    Nov 8, 2003
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    Need to know whether a 93 Mondial T with Valeo transmission has the same engine as a 348?

    Are the blocks identical and use the same engine mounts?
    Do they use the same transmission, clutch disc, pressure plate, flywheel, clutch housing, mounts?

    I thought the valeo unit was just an add-on part to the same 348 manual transmission and clutch set up.

    Looking to convert back to a straight manual clutch set-up from the valeo unit for a project car.
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  3. AR!

    AR! Formula Junior

    Apr 8, 2004
    Berlin, Germany
    Sorry, I can´t help with this but would be interested in the answer too ...
  4. snj5

    snj5 F1 World Champ

    Feb 22, 2003
    San Antonio
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    Russ Turner
    yes - same engine.
    not sure about trans.
  5. wax

    wax Four Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa

    Jul 20, 2003
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    Dirty Harry
    '93 Valeo Tranny option came about in '93 - very few t's were fitted.

    Mondial t
    Tipo F119 DL (*Tipo F119 G in US = 295bhp)

    Essentially same as:

    348 tb & ts ("t" = transverse gearbox)
    Tipo F119 D

    Since both shared:

    3.4 L V8 | 3405cc | bore & stoke 85mm x 75mm | 300bhp @ 7200rpm | compression 10.4:1 | Bosch Motronic M2.5

    though bhp increased by 20 on:

    348 GTB, GTS, GT Competizione
    Tipo F119 H

    primarily because of upgraded Motronic:

    3.4 L V8 | 3405 cc | bore & stroke 85mm × 75mm | 320bhp @ 7200 rpm | compression 10.4:1 | Bosch Motronic M2.7

    FWIW, no price distinction made between stick or clutchless Valeo system
  6. Peppi

    Peppi Karting

    Mar 15, 2004
    UK Wales Cardiff
    Hi , I have a Mondial t cab 1993 , my owners manual says that I have a motronic 2.7 giving all the describtions of its components , I bought my vehicle about 1 year ago , it has a valeo clutch, I have since spoken to ferrari in uk egham, because same as you I wanted to change back to normal clutch pedal operation, they said I could put it back as itwas , with a clutch pedal if I wanted with no problems just the cost , the valeo clutch was put in after the vehicle was made at a cost of £10,000 I have the previous owners receipt for the work , the gentleman at ferrari Egham told me the system works very well on the vehicle , I have got used to mine and find that it is a good system also found to be most reliable , if I remember ferrari told me that the clutch does last longer with this system fitted , anyway for now its great no problems , I have some write up and diagrams of the system if you wish to see them let me know , I have not sent any pictures on here yet but I will need to start somewhere so let me know , ciao for now Peppi.
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  8. AR!

    AR! Formula Junior

    Apr 8, 2004
    Berlin, Germany
    Hi Peppi, I am also owner of an T cab from 1993 with the Valeo system. I personally like it a lot (especially in the Mondial T it makes sense because the regular gear box is a bit reluctant and the pedals are very close to each other, so confusing break and clutch in a moment of absence of concentration might happen ...).

    Of course I am a little bit concerned as everone is telling me that the Valeo clutch is a problematic device.

    Let´s keep in touch regarding our experiences with the system.

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